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They're voting on decriminalising abortion at any stage of the pregnancy in the commons today

I don't know what to make of this
Does it literally mean that a woman could potentially get rid of the fetus right up until the day before it gets born

Whoa this could be controversial ....And what percentage of women would kill a offspring .?? These days ,when all governments are making it hard to just get by, and then having another mouth to feed. Without additional support of a mate or significant other . Or Gawd forbid , even the government . But many States via Fed government in USA are proposing 1000 USD for newborns ...So now, we encourage women by bribing them to have kids . So when the 1000
runs out ,what does a women do . Thats brought up in a self centered emotionally and financally society ? XYZ generations . And forced by media to see nothing but violence and heartlessness beamed into their home by the almighty US media . With a small amount of alternative media. Especially , if you are a woman , whom wants to appear knowledgeable , You might take a peek at what media wants you to see? War and division, US versus Them stuff.And our own governments are responsible for this stuff you peek at. No diversity any more just division of humans.And the way our own same governments are suppose to be a model of a decent society ? It is a wonder there are not much more dumpster babies in the United States ( and possibly elsewhere).
And yet a 1000 USD is supposed to care for a lifetime of a child?. But bet you could get alotta crack or meth for 1000 Guess suppose all babies could be born to loving caring parents,who were not bottle fed media from birth

It means no criminal charges could be applied against a woman who pursues such an abortion, or the doctor who performs it.

It doesn't mean they'll be common, given that the risks associated go up the later an abortion occurs.
Because they're risky, doctors won't usually perform abortions late unless there's a serious reason to do so.

This is the legal situation surrounding abortion in Canada right now.

Well the vote went through

That's how I understand it. That abortion would be permitted at *any* time prior to baby's emergence, even during active labor.

I'm struggling with it because I would like to say that I'm probably choice but this is messing with my head

You might want to look at how small of percentage late term abortions make up of the total abortion rate in places where there's no maximum.

In Canada, late-term abortions (after 20 weeks) make up 2.5% of the total performed in hospitals, and it's estimated that they make up 0.59% of those performed in clinics.

They're performed out of medical necessity, rather than because the patient just decided to terminate.

This provides more information on the situation in Canada, and it seems unlikely the culture between the UK and Canada are so radically different that the outcomes would be radically different.

https://arcc-cdac.ca/media/position-pap ... rtions.pdf

Quoted from the link:


Emphasis mine.

I think the whole debate often attempts to portray women as not capable of making well-informed medical decisions and instead tries to portray them as motivated by shallow concerns. Those who wish to restrict women's ability to make medical decisions for themselves seem to need to rely on lying about why people choose to terminate pregnancies after 20 weeks.

It's a very, very sad thing.

I have a dear friend who delivered at 23.5 weeks, and her son will be 22 years old next month. I went with her to the NICU all the time. He was such an amazing little guy, even at that age.

Especially when there are modern options to save babies that young, I think it makes perfect sense for folks to be upset at late term abortions. Technology is improving all the time, and younger and younger babies can survive outside the womb. Compassion for our most vulnerable members of society is a very good thing.

It only makes sense to be upset if you ignore why late term abortions are actually performed. They're not performed for s**ts and giggles. To repeat:



If you're upset at someone who's forced to terminate, you're misplacing your anger.

I find the during active labor bit to be somewhat hard to believe unless there's more details to it. The closer the fetus is to being born the fewer people you find that think that killing it is OK and by the point where we're talking active delivery, you'd have a hard time finding anybody that thinks that's OK except in an extremely narrow situation where for some reason the baby can't be delivered or cut out in a C section.

This is the 21st century, it shocks me that anybody thinks that people are having abortions because it's in some fashion enjoyable.

I do not ignore the justifications people use to kill preborn children, nor do I think anyone does it for fun. I just don't believe there are any acceptable reasons for doing so.



I am unaware of "medical reasons" for directly killing a preborn child, especially after 12 weeks gestation, let alone 20+. I realize I am in the minority with this view, but even if a prenatal screen results in a less-than-perfect baby whose chances of survival are minimal, I do not believe this sufficient justification for murder. One of my kids wasn't expected to live through labor and delivery, and he's a teen now. I was prepared to hold him for only minutes, if not seconds.



My own mother was in an abusive marriage, and her first husband forced her to kill my only full sibling. When he tried to force her again with me, she refused. Children should not be murdered because their parent(s) are jerks.



Children shouldn't be killed because their parents are young, either.

Pregnancy is a temporary situation. Other people are capable of caring for babies whose parents can't care for them, for whatever reasons. We should give everyone a chance.

None of that is a good argument for denying others bodily autonomy.

None of that is a good justification for forcing people to give birth to a child who will die of complications not long after birth or for forcing children to bear children.

You're entitled to make whatever choices you feel are best for you, but that doesn't mean the state should be empowered to impose your preferences on others.

The Brits made the right call.

You know, I tried pretty diligently to get some hard numbers on abortion in the US a few months ago for a personal project I have been working on. I wasn't even trying to find the answers to more difficult questions such as "why" a woman or girl might have an abortion. I just wanted to know how many occurred, hopefully by state, over time. I thought I would easily find verifiable numbers going back to Roe V Wade, but I thought I might find some before this as well, since it would have been tracked for the legal arguments for that case.

Turns out there is no way to know HOW MANY abortions happen now, or have ever happened. Not just at a certain time in the pregnancy, but at any time in the pregnancy.

You can pull up a statistic from a certain source, but the source is usually clearly biased. There is no way to cross-reference any of the sources and come back with a number that is anywhere in the same ballpark. Both the pro-life and the pro-choice informational outlets were misrepresenting data at egregious levels.

I can tell you guys that it is a big problem that no one can be enough of an adult to stop boo hooing over either side and simply track this very important issue. No one will get anywhere if we have no idea how common of an issue it is.

Oh and side note- Will the UK allow abortions in any circumstances? There may suddenly be a decrease in girls, Down's people, and perhaps even autists if the "geniuses" in the medical community decide they have identified an autism gene. Not great for healthy diversity in a population.

The preborn child -- a completely different, uniquely created innocent person with his/her own DNA -- should have the right to be protected from aggression, just like the rest of us. One's location or place of residence shouldn't matter.



They did not.



Agreed.

The UK made the right call. It took me a long time to come around to the idea of abortion. I was raised with a firmly anti-choice mindset. However, experience and research has helped me adopt a more nuanced perspective. I’d even say that if I ever got pregnant again I’d get an abortion, especially if the circumstances were at all similar to those of my first pregnancy. My body, my choice. I love my son and will always be glad that I had him, but I couldn’t do it again. I’m not just saying that because I’m 40, either. I’d feel the same if I were 30.

At any rate, I don’t think very many people are going to get late abortions, but it’s good that they can if they need to. You never know what sort of situation one could find themselves in - maybe we’d know nothing about it from the outside looking in.