Which form of basic education do you support?

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Which is better in your sight?
Public school 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
Private school 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Homeschool 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
Tutors 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Other-please specify 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Depends on kids 33%  33%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 24

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31 Aug 2007, 6:21 pm

Just K-12 here is what I'm referring to. Where did you go and where would you've prefered to have gone? What laws should be in place on this issue?

For me it's homeschool. You can learn college topics if your parents have college degrees like mine do, but there isn't much space for lab equipment. Tried public school but I couldn't stand the language kids used around me. I think parents should be free to teach their own children and no one should be forced to endure public school.



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31 Aug 2007, 7:00 pm

Public school, with no more than 20 students in one class.

Schools should teach kids discipline as well as educate them to standard. Homeschooling probably isn't the best thing due to the lack of order. Private schools cost money, and are generally an option if your parents have plenty of money to throw around. However, private school fees here are pretty high on average.

And state universities should have no individual fees. That puts a huge burden on graduates.

Importantly, have a functional state school system with plenty of discipline and good teaching.


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31 Aug 2007, 7:08 pm

Anubis wrote:
Public school, with no more than 20 students in one class.

Schools should teach kids discipline as well as educate them to standard. Homeschooling probably isn't the best thing due to the lack of order. Private schools cost money, and are generally an option if your parents have plenty of money to throw around. However, private school fees here are pretty high on average.

And state universities should have no individual fees. That puts a huge burden on graduates.

Importantly, have a functional state school system with plenty of discipline and good teaching.

The reason there are top up fees in the UK is to subsidise students doing crap courses, such as Outdoor adventure and Philosophy, Surf Studies and so on. My system would be bringing back the grammar schools, and having another type of school of low achievers.



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31 Aug 2007, 7:19 pm

Hadron wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Public school, with no more than 20 students in one class.

Schools should teach kids discipline as well as educate them to standard. Homeschooling probably isn't the best thing due to the lack of order. Private schools cost money, and are generally an option if your parents have plenty of money to throw around. However, private school fees here are pretty high on average.

And state universities should have no individual fees. That puts a huge burden on graduates.

Importantly, have a functional state school system with plenty of discipline and good teaching.

The reason there are top up fees in the UK is to subsidise students doing crap courses, such as Outdoor adventure and Philosophy, Surf Studies and so on. My system would be bringing back the grammar schools, and having another type of school of low achievers.


Aka "Mickey Mouse" subjects. :lol: It degrades the quality of education. I think the reason that they've done that is to increase the overall amount of people taking degrees for some political agenda. Perhaps we should bring back grammar schools. We could turn the new "Academies" into the revived grammar schools. Standards would increase dramatically!


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31 Aug 2007, 7:28 pm

Hadron wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Public school, with no more than 20 students in one class.

Schools should teach kids discipline as well as educate them to standard. Homeschooling probably isn't the best thing due to the lack of order. Private schools cost money, and are generally an option if your parents have plenty of money to throw around. However, private school fees here are pretty high on average.

And state universities should have no individual fees. That puts a huge burden on graduates.

Importantly, have a functional state school system with plenty of discipline and good teaching.

The reason there are top up fees in the UK is to subsidise students doing crap courses, such as Outdoor adventure and Philosophy, Surf Studies and so on. My system would be bringing back the grammar schools, and having another type of school of low achievers.

Grammar schools don't work completely. Mine had plenty of idiots in it. Yet it was supposedly one of the best schools in the country, and all that shite. The other two in my area were awful though.



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31 Aug 2007, 7:38 pm

Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Public school, with no more than 20 students in one class.

Schools should teach kids discipline as well as educate them to standard. Homeschooling probably isn't the best thing due to the lack of order. Private schools cost money, and are generally an option if your parents have plenty of money to throw around. However, private school fees here are pretty high on average.

And state universities should have no individual fees. That puts a huge burden on graduates.

Importantly, have a functional state school system with plenty of discipline and good teaching.

The reason there are top up fees in the UK is to subsidise students doing crap courses, such as Outdoor adventure and Philosophy, Surf Studies and so on. My system would be bringing back the grammar schools, and having another type of school of low achievers.

Grammar schools don't work completely. Mine had plenty of idiots in it. Yet it was supposedly one of the best schools in the country, and all that shite. The other two in my area were awful though.


Poor standards, perhaps. Plus there will always be a group of bullies and fools in any institution, whether they are a majority or a minority.


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31 Aug 2007, 9:52 pm

Government funded schools, because they give a better variety of education, than private and home-school education. If you went private, you need heaps of dosh to spend to get you little angel through it, and home-shooling is crap because there is no social aspect and no proper grading system. We did have a school-of-the air here (for remote kids who studied via radio and later computer) but there was no guarantee that they did as well as anyone in a proper school environment. I agree with the discipline part too, too many kids are of the opinion they can get away with murder. And cut out the crap subjects - Reading, writing, maths, sciences, geography, history, Phys ed, art/home ec, drivers ed (for high school) are basically all that should be taught. Anything else should be left for university. And if a kid is not achieving the desired results, then fail them. It would teach them a damn good lesson, instead of passing them through. They learn nothing that way, and basically they get it easy. Make them earn the right to be educated, instead of giving in to them.


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31 Aug 2007, 10:41 pm

I went to public school, in my case it would not have been ideal to go to another type of school as the local private lacked opportunity and homeschooling puts some demands on the teachers.

The laws to be put in place? Well, I would probably privatize it, loosen the curriculum standards, and let people choose. The reasoning behind this is the following: school can be provided by markets as they are a form of service, competition can spur on greater innovation, the centralization of educational authority can result in bad incentives(teaching to the test), homogenized bias(the dominant ideology gets taught and other information suppressed), not only that but it gives a relatively undistorted right to the raising of children to their parents which is where it would be wiser to maintain it due to the decentralization of overall authority and the important need to allow people control over their own lives, which for parents does include a right over their children.



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31 Aug 2007, 10:53 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I went to public school, in my case it would not have been ideal to go to another type of school as the local private lacked opportunity and homeschooling puts some demands on the teachers.

The laws to be put in place? Well, I would probably privatize it, loosen the curriculum standards, and let people choose. The reasoning behind this is the following: school can be provided by markets as they are a form of service, competition can spur on greater innovation, the centralization of educational authority can result in bad incentives(teaching to the test), homogenized bias(the dominant ideology gets taught and other information suppressed), not only that but it gives a relatively undistorted right to the raising of children to their parents which is where it would be wiser to maintain it due to the decentralization of overall authority and the important need to allow people control over their own lives, which for parents does include a right over their children.


That's really good and well thought out.

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31 Aug 2007, 11:28 pm

Also, drug and sex education should be taught at home too, when the child reaches puberty. And none of this stuff about being born this or born that. Sexual orientation comes with puberty, and proper education helps kids deal with it. If they find out they are gay, then give them the help they need to deal with it, but don't say they were born that way because little kids have no concept of that sort of thing. When I grew up, gay meant happy. Also, homework should be cut so that kids could get out and exercise and play games. Kids get burnt out with all the study they have to do, and they also become lazy and unfit because they don't get the exercise.


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01 Sep 2007, 1:15 am

I wish the word "gay" still meant "happy" or "cheerful". I've noticed when WP members call me "gay" they use the spelling "ghey", so maybe "gay" can mean "cheerful" again while "ghey" can mean "other than straight".



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01 Sep 2007, 1:25 am

i disagree about sex ed being taught at home. most parents are barely capable enough to teach their kids right from wrong rather less the intricacies of sex and what it's really about...at least normally.


i mean as it is bad parents are given too much power...the least education could do is provide smart, accurate and functional way of presenting sex and hopefully instill some sense of responsibility about it.



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01 Sep 2007, 1:33 am

I think Tim LaHaye's book, The Act Of Marriage is an excellent sex-ed book.



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01 Sep 2007, 1:38 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I think Tim LaHaye's book, The Act Of Marriage is an excellent sex-ed book.



from an initial search on the book....you're kidding right? some book on how married christians can get kinky is not a functional book on safe sex, questions about puberty and development, and questions outside of christian sex (like anal sex). educational....meaning that the students actually learn something and learn something functional for the real world.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:01 am

The majority of homeschoolers are Christian and those issues are anathema to Christianity, so the book fits for its audience.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:57 am

So that's the reason virtually all the Christian kids are home-schooled... It's because everyone else called them ghey. Well, they had a point.... It's like the reason some people go on-line, it's because you wouldn't talk to them in a pub.


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