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05 Sep 2007, 7:32 pm

This is 666 spelled out in Hebrew:
שׁשּׁה שׁשּׁים מאיה שׁשׁ
Revelation 13:17-18 KJV
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Out of Greek and Hebrew, Hebrew letters have numerical value. The antichrist will most likely have a Hebrew name which letters add to 666. Not to say he's Jewish, although they are still looking for the Messiah and if the antichrist were Jewish it would help his acceptance within that circle. If genetic testing proved the guy to be in the line of David, that would be even worse.



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05 Sep 2007, 7:38 pm

Not sure but isn't the original number 616?


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05 Sep 2007, 7:44 pm

Nero was Roman.



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05 Sep 2007, 7:49 pm

We get here again with the thing of different interpretations of the Bible, and different dogmas from different denominations.

The church I used to go, "Seventh day adventists" back then, I was thought that the beast thing was about the obervance of sunday instead of the sabbath, then the Mark of the Beast would be just that, people who had such "mark" would be the ones who choose to observe and rest on sundays, going against the original unchanged law. Also the Beast and the number was associated with the Pope.


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05 Sep 2007, 7:54 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
Nero was Roman.

Yes, very likely the writings were refering to, either to him personally or the roman empire itself.


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05 Sep 2007, 7:55 pm

Sabbath is Saturday, Jesus said there would be many false christs but I'm referring to the final one who is able to show supernatural powers and so forth. If you're trying to refer to the Law, there are 613 Mizvot not 616 and the Greek manuscripts say χξς which is 666 in Greek.



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05 Sep 2007, 8:02 pm

greenblue wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
Nero was Roman.

Yes, very likely the writings were refering to, either to him personally or the roman empire itself.


Nero was dead by year 90, when John received Revelation.



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05 Sep 2007, 8:04 pm

It seems to me that it would be prudent to leave biblical symbolism and metaphor in the hands of the scholars (and even they can't seem to agree on anything). Numbers and other symbols often have a very specific significance in certain times and places. In the hands of a novice with a propensity toward literalist interpretation, the original meaning will almost certainly be obscured.

I know... that's just not as exciting.


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05 Sep 2007, 8:09 pm

I take the Bible as it is written and most Biblical "scholars" make too many inroads to conform to different philosophies of this world to pay attention to the Bible.



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05 Sep 2007, 8:15 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I take the Bible as it is written and most Biblical "scholars" make too many inroads to conform to different philosophies of this world to pay attention to the Bible.


I agree that most Biblical "scholars" have an agenda, and the ones that get the most press in secular circles are the ones who are eager to please those who subscribe to the current trends.

However, I still maintain that taking the Bible "as it is written", without consulting historical sources, archaeological evidence, etc. is almost certain to result in an incorrect interpretation. Just imagine what would happen if a civilization several thousand years in the future uncovered a diary from 2007 that read: "It was raining cats and dogs today."


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05 Sep 2007, 8:21 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
Nero was Roman.

Yes, very likely the writings were refering to, either to him personally or the roman empire itself.


Nero was dead by year 90, when John received Revelation.

Some scholars put the date of the book to be written in a period of time, not only one especific year, meaning that part of it could have been written by the time Nero was still alive, and it is not certain if it was John the apostole who wrote it or another person, even some say it was probably written by more than one person.


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05 Sep 2007, 8:29 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I take the Bible as it is written and most Biblical "scholars" make too many inroads to conform to different philosophies of this world to pay attention to the Bible.

But that also works the same way, the other way around, making many inroads to comform to an already interpretation of the Bible, ignoring or changing things if they are found contradictive. That happens as well, that going both ways.


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05 Sep 2007, 8:34 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
However, I still maintain that taking the Bible "as it is written", without consulting historical sources, archaeological evidence, etc. is almost certain to result in an incorrect interpretation. Just imagine what would happen if a civilization several thousand years in the future uncovered a diary from 2007 that read: "It was raining cats and dogs today."

The possibilty of history repeating itself somehow, with the problem of taking it literally, having many different interpretations, and professionals debating it with a possible number of theories, etc.


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05 Sep 2007, 8:37 pm

He'll be white of course. We all know wh***y's the devil :wink:



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05 Sep 2007, 10:50 pm

Fools!! ! Do you think ethnicity matters?

IT DOESN'T!! !



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06 Sep 2007, 12:53 am

Nero was gone by the time John wrote Revelation, and he was actually retelling the events of the fall of Rome. Mark mentioned the antichrist, but as it was just before Nero's reign, it had to be coded. I also saw something that quoted the Hebrew numerology thing as saying 666 translated into Nero, and because of the times and what was happening to the Jews and early Christians, that's the only logical conclusion anyone could make. The ages thing and endtimes relates more to astrology than anything, Jesus being the Sun, and the houses/disciples being the ages. Taurus was the first age, when Moses got stuck into them for worshipping the golden calf, then Aries was the next; hence all the talk about the lamb of god. Jesus was born into Pisces, which is why the Christian symbol is a fish, or two fish. The end of the age, which refers to the water-bearer, is due around 2150 CE, and that is Aquarius. There is no doom prophecy, it's just talking about the change in times. But because the translations were screwed up, and the 'church' was in the midst of a big power struggle, the full message and meaning has become distorted. And because American groups are the youngest, their teachings have been distorted so far from the original text that they may as well be quoting from Lord Of The Rings.


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