Earth is the wrong planet because of the Nazis and the Commu
Even if we find the meaning of life, we can still ask why there is a meaning, why is that, &c. But if there’s no guiding first principles, how can we focus our actions? We must use analyses of man’s actions within the observable universe to determine what makes us happy and prosperous – and recently, geniuses like Herbert Spencer and Ayn Rand have determined these proper actions very well. They were probably of the new species, homo aspergus, that will replace homo sapiens, for those with this "syndrome" can focus and live for themselves, and we know empirically that that is the key to happiness; at least it would be, if the Communists hadn't killed most of homo aspergus, and infected most of the survivors with the inferior homo sapiens spirit of collectivism.
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Only ye are capable of the most sublime and permanent happiness. The Communists killed about half of ye this century, and yet most of ye follow euphemistic versions of their philosophy! Focus and selfishness make heroes of ye.
"They were probably of the new species, homo aspergus..."
I am a big fan of Ayn Rand, and while I don't want to retroactively diagnose her with Aspergers's (mainly because her personal life as told by the Brandens is in serious dispute), I think Objectivism is quite possibly very sympathetic to an autistic mindset. I do plan to do some serious research on this.
The rest of the post I don't get.
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Hey Mr. Troll ("holdsteady"): Your visceral repulsion is typical; it shows just how scared people are by how much happiness and prosperity Objectivism can bring to the world. Detractors are stupefied by Rand's genius: all they can say is "wtf" and "well so what if selfishness indirectly helps others more than selflessness does? Rand is still a *$@%!"
Spaceplayer: Practical philosophy is simple: just read Atlas Shrugged and note that the heroes are focused, self-centered geniuses. You will see that these are all the best traits for a species that got where it did by the use of its mind. If you want to delve further, try her other novels, as well as Herbert Spencer's System of Synthetic Philosophy. I haven't read much of either set, but I know that they will give you better than a Ph.D. in Social Darwinism / Objectivism.
Don't tell me that "you don't get" the post; surely you can get a basic idea of all of it. Tell me what you think something means, and I'll clarify.
Autism is a continuum, you know; I'm sure that Rand had some aspects of Asperger's Syndrome, just like everyone from around the Pale of Russia does, and I as well, though only half of my family comes from the area. About 7-8% of the genes peculiar to mankind vary among nearby ethnic groups, so this speciation is not surprising. If Asperger's is a syndrome, it follows that intelligence was a syndrome in the homo sapiens that were speciating in the Great Rift Valley, a million years ago.
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Only ye are capable of the most sublime and permanent happiness. The Communists killed about half of ye this century, and yet most of ye follow euphemistic versions of their philosophy! Focus and selfishness make heroes of ye.
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My Aspergerian bliss does not involve 'the world'. I have learned to not trust any 'ism' to project my beliefs onto anyone but myself. Fascism is the dictatorship of the elite (rich) and Communism the dictatorship of the masses (poor ) Power is never given up with out a fight and you will die of boredom while waiting for someone else to 'give' you 'rights'.
One must assume any rights one wishes.
Money is an abstract concept. Humanity lived with out financial concepts before, and will live with out the concept again.
I live internally, and can only live simply to leave the least carbon footprint I can. I am not saving the world this week. Been there, done that.
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Or, more rationally I address: Young Idealists who Haven't Yet Ceded Czechoslovakia:
Ayn Rand told me something different about money. Only great geniuses can induce rational changes of viewpoint, so I'll leave it to her to tell you why money is our medium for exchange of service value, and why service value is so important. But keep in mind that the less we value services, the less technology we have, and so if we were a bit more naive than we are about services, we wouldn't have this Internet upon which we could discuss it.
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Only ye are capable of the most sublime and permanent happiness. The Communists killed about half of ye this century, and yet most of ye follow euphemistic versions of their philosophy! Focus and selfishness make heroes of ye.
One must assume any rights one wishes.
I agree with that. I have no heroes. I create my own belief system, revising it every day as I gain more knowledge and wisdom.
Ye will see that making your own practical philosophy is about as good as making your own computer from bare natural resources, and with reference not to any specific manual, but to parts of different manuals.
So far it looks like one out of four people here are young idealists, and are actually members of homo aspergus.
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Only ye are capable of the most sublime and permanent happiness. The Communists killed about half of ye this century, and yet most of ye follow euphemistic versions of their philosophy! Focus and selfishness make heroes of ye.
Peter, you wrote: "Don't tell me that "you don't get" the post; surely you can get a basic idea of all of it. Tell me what you think something means, and I'll clarify."
What I didn't get was the point, because your headline mentions commies and Nazi's and wrong planets; I didn't know if I should expect an alien conspiracy or a metaphor. But your initial post didn't develop any ideas, but presented three: One about meaning, one about Ayn Rand and Herbert Spencer, and then the idea of Communism wiping out Aspergerians.
Ok, I'll bite. First for fair disclosure, I'll have to add that I've read everything that Rand's published (and some things she didn't publish) as well as most of the literature, good and bad, about her and her philosophy. I've also been published in the Journal of Ayn Rand Studies, an article entitled "The Trickster Archetype and Objectivism."
You wrote:
"Even if we find the meaning of life, we can still ask why there is a meaning, why is that, &c. But if there’s no guiding first principles, how can we focus our actions?"
We can still ask it, but we can also ask if this is a proper question or a "floating abstraction." Why is there meaning for the meaning of the meaning, ad infinitum.
" We must use analyses of man’s actions within the observable universe to determine what makes us happy and prosperous – and recently, geniuses like Herbert Spencer and Ayn Rand have determined these proper actions very well."
Ok.
"They were probably of the new species, homo aspergus, that will replace homo sapiens, for those with this "syndrome" can focus and live for themselves, and we know empirically that that is the key to happiness; at least it would be, if the Communists hadn't killed most of homo aspergus, and infected most of the survivors with the inferior homo sapiens spirit of collectivism."
You make a few claims here, I'd be curious to know what kind of research you've done to verify them. You insinuate that the traits of homo sapiens are vestigial, do you not? Empathy, compassion, social traits, etc. Rand would not agree with this, I can tell you that. She did not deny the social aspect of being. Read out of context, it's understandable to think she would. But a careful reading reveals that she wrote that true social relationships can only take place between individuals, etc. As it stands, what you wrote does not reveal your full understanding of Rand. And your claim that homo aspergus is a new line of evolution is unsubstantiated.
Your claim that happiniess depends on focusing and living for oneself, there are those who would disagree, since not everyone is made happy by independence. Happiness is not the standard of life, anyway, in Objectivist philosophy; Rand objected to hedonism on principle.
Your last line about communism is colorfully metaphoric, but I don't know how well it stands up to the litmus test of reality.
That's my understanding of your post, would love to hear your explanation, moreso, I'd love to hear your theory that Russians have a high rate of autism. Thanks.
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BTW your an idiot.
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In the title of my post, I meant to make a reference to the name of the website, while stating that this planet sucks because there are Nazis and Communists, and their derivatives, upon it.
I totally agree about “floating abstractions.” I suggested that we end our search for first principles, and confine ourselves to the observable.
I like to keep my philosophical statements as concise as possible. This saves time: I refer to books, because other people have already developed and justified my philosophical ideas for me. I do admit that my sociological claims would be better with an accompanying scientific paper, but I am a student of cell biology; I’ll leave sociological research to the sociologists. I don’t know of any particular sociological works to cite, but I suspect that they’re out there. Well, hell, my goal isn’t to convince scholars of what I say; rather, it is to get the intellectual fire going. For I expect to find others to whom these sociological claims are too obvious to require research. There is one exception in my post: the “15” and “7-8” percent figures regarding genetic diversity. They are stated explicitly, albeit not with absolute surety, somewhere in <The Language of God> by Francis S. Collins, probably around pp. 200-250.
I meant to say that homo aspergus is less collective than homo sapiens, and that this is good; and Rand says the same about her heroes’ collectivity. I didn’t imply that Rand’s heroes were aspies in any other way than being focused, intelligent, and self-centered. For her heroes were ideal, so they only had the positive aspects of homo aspergus. But I say that the real, imperfect heroes are the aspies, so if she were writing nonfiction sociology, the heroes would be aspies in full form.
I believe that the sublime, uniquely human happiness is different than hedonism, and that it comes instead from independent achievement. I suspect that we will have to maintain our separate opinions on the subject of happiness.
My last line is not metaphoric. Communists - and I must add to them the fascists – so, totalitarians or pseudo-totalitarians like Stalin and Hitler - killed perhaps not most, but surely about half of all the Ashkenazi in the world, from the burning of Ukrainian crops to the Holocaust. And this is tied into my assertion about autism among those who lived in or around the Pale of Russia (i.e., not all Russians): that is, every sentient man should find it clear that autism occurs at a high rate among the Ashkenazi, just as high mental faculty does (the New York Times once corroborated the latter point).
The other part of the last line asserts that homo aspergus dwells on the Earth: if true, then most aspies believe too much in applied collectivism – because most people on Earth believe too much in it! By applied collectivism, I denote the societal results of a collectivist spirit – or for aspies, the passive absorption of the results of everybody else’s collectivist spirit.
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Only ye are capable of the most sublime and permanent happiness. The Communists killed about half of ye this century, and yet most of ye follow euphemistic versions of their philosophy! Focus and selfishness make heroes of ye.
Mmmm....delicious arrogance.
Might I suggest that you look for a more militant group of people with AS, Peter? You seem to enjoy viewing those that do not have it as inferior to yourself. Might as well get with people that want to do something about it!
The saddest part of all of this? Some of what you posted was quite good, but the taint of arrogance makes it hard to stomach any of it.
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I totally agree about “floating abstractions.” I suggested that we end our search for first principles, and confine ourselves to the observable.
I like to keep my philosophical statements as concise as possible. This saves time: I refer to books, because other people have already developed and justified my philosophical ideas for me. I do admit that my sociological claims would be better with an accompanying scientific paper, but I am a student of cell biology; I’ll leave sociological research to the sociologists. I don’t know of any particular sociological works to cite, but I suspect that they’re out there. Well, hell, my goal isn’t to convince scholars of what I say; rather, it is to get the intellectual fire going. For I expect to find others to whom these sociological claims are too obvious to require research. There is one exception in my post: the “15” and “7-8” percent figures regarding genetic diversity. They are stated explicitly, albeit not with absolute surety, somewhere in <The Language of God> by Francis S. Collins, probably around pp. 200-250.
I meant to say that homo aspergus is less collective than homo sapiens, and that this is good; and Rand says the same about her heroes’ collectivity. I didn’t imply that Rand’s heroes were aspies in any other way than being focused, intelligent, and self-centered. For her heroes were ideal, so they only had the positive aspects of homo aspergus. But I say that the real, imperfect heroes are the aspies, so if she were writing nonfiction sociology, the heroes would be aspies in full form.
I believe that the sublime, uniquely human happiness is different than hedonism, and that it comes instead from independent achievement. I suspect that we will have to maintain our separate opinions on the subject of happiness.
My last line is not metaphoric. Communists - and I must add to them the fascists – so, totalitarians or pseudo-totalitarians like Stalin and Hitler - killed perhaps not most, but surely about half of all the Ashkenazi in the world, from the burning of Ukrainian crops to the Holocaust. And this is tied into my assertion about autism among those who lived in or around the Pale of Russia (i.e., not all Russians): that is, every sentient man should find it clear that autism occurs at a high rate among the Ashkenazi, just as high mental faculty does (the New York Times once corroborated the latter point).
The other part of the last line asserts that homo aspergus dwells on the Earth: if true, then most aspies believe too much in applied collectivism – because most people on Earth believe too much in it! By applied collectivism, I denote the societal results of a collectivist spirit – or for aspies, the passive absorption of the results of everybody else’s collectivist spirit.
you actually made a new account to spout this drivel.
im sure its all very interesting though.
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At first I thought this might be about the effect of neo nazis who would torment someone with AS, as it happened to me in highschool. Instead it was something rediculous as I should have expected..
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