potential new anarcho-aspie organisation

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hiya. i'm new here

i've been thinking of setting up an organisation for anarchists and left communists on the spectrum. just wondered if anyone on here was interested? if so, let me know

hairmonster85
not in SolFed anymore

Hmm... interesting idea, would more than likely have less of the "More anarchist than thou" sentiment of some groups. Yeah, keep me informed if anything develops.

Heh, lefties want communism here, that shows that the elitists have conditioned you well. I'm assuming you haven't seen China, Cuba, or Russia. I kinda like having freedom and NOT being violently oppressed pesonally.

Also, anarchy and communism can't co-exist, they are total opposites of one another. Such a term is an oxymoron. Communism is all about government control, whereas anarchy is about lack of government. Organized anarchy takes the good parts from communism as well as democracy, but you can't call it communism. That would be like calling peanut butter peanuts.

Anarchy never works out well for anyone except the rich/warlords. Take Somalia for example. Communism works sometimes, but it can stagnate and rot due to a lack of incentives, little advancement, and poor management. It also tends to supress freedom. Generally, capitalist economies with certain safeguards and extra state services(health, education, etc) work out in everyone's best interest, but sometimes that is not the case. Capitalist economies are vulnerable, and in times of war and scarcity, generally don't work out so well.

Actually, Marx and Engels were quasi-anarchists. In Das Kapital, Engels wrote, "Even the state would wither away and die." From a classical Marxist standpoint, socialism (a dictatorship of the proletariat) would follow capitalism. Communism (a stateless, classless society) would then succeed socialism.

Many writers who were more explicit anarchists rejected the intermediate stage (the dictatorship). However, they have largely embraced Marx's views on communism.

The construction of communism as totalitarian was a 20th-century innovation. However, Marx was a 19th-century writer and cannot be held responsible for the innovations of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.

Well a dictator of the proletariate is still a dictator. When a dictator is in power, there is no freedom. Anarchy is absolute freedom.

But in true anarchy, it then means our lives are still dependant on the whims of another. In this case, the rest of humanity. They say the meek will inherit the earth. In the case of anarchy, it will be the psychopaths, as successful anarchy depends largely on mutual cooperation, and we have seen how good humanity is at that over the past few millennia.

As I said in my previous message, Marx and Engel's concept of communism excludes the state. Therefore, totalitarianism would not be possible.

The dictatorship of the proletariat refers to socialism, not to communism.

Then I fail to understand how it would be a dictatorship...

Plus hairmonster referred to a "left communists".

The definition of socialism by Marx and Engels differs from most contemporary usages. What they were talking about is a situation in which unionized workers would, through revolution, seize control of the government and of the means of production (the factories) in order to institute forced collectivization.

Anarcho-communism, which is what I think that the person who started the thread had in mind, is a type of left communism. Marxian communism is also left communism. Some, like Trotsky, would have argued that 20th-century so-called communism was really state capitalism, i.e., with the government taking the position of capitalists. That approach would have been anathema to Marx.

hiya

by left-communism, i mean what the first international set out to do. i don't mean leninism. in a way, anarchism came from the first international, when mikhail bakunin and the more libertarian elements of the group split.

i've done a few posters and turned them into pdf's if anyone wants a look

it wouldn't really be in competition with SolFed, the Anarchist Federation or Class War. until yesterday, i was in SolFed

surprised that there are anarchist aspies other than myself

hm85

It shouldn't be that surprising. I think aspies, being sort of outcasts, would probably tend towards some odd political beliefs. I have met other anarchist aspies on the boards. I know that I am not your ally though and probably closer to your bitter foe.

Competition is entirely counter-productive as we all want generally the same thing, it's more the social side of the group that I was commenting on.