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20 Jan 2008, 3:00 pm

what do you guys think:

A) I'm sad so therefore i'm thinking depressing things.
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b) I'm thinking depressing things therefore i'm making myself sad.

which comes first, the thought or the mood?



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20 Jan 2008, 6:48 pm

It's usually 'A' with me.



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20 Jan 2008, 9:04 pm

Thoughts a rationalization of a mood. The conscious mind is a puppet for the unconscious, and has been observed to present itself as the agent of actions on the part of the animal which were entirely outside of its control.


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20 Jan 2008, 10:02 pm

Well people have been debating this chicken-and-egg problem for centuries, and I don't think anyone knows for sure yet. But my favourite theory is that thoughts and moods are like a feedback system, and either can trigger the other. In other words, both A and B can be true. If you're depressed, you're more likely to think of sad things, and thinking of sad things can make you depressed.



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20 Jan 2008, 10:04 pm

I think option "A".

People feel sad because of the chemicals released in their brains...can be triggered by certain events or just by chemical imbalance.
You will only think depressing thoughts if you are sad...I mean, no one would "choose" to think about depressing things if they were happy. :lol:


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20 Jan 2008, 10:11 pm

Brittany2907 wrote:
You will only think depressing thoughts if you are sad...I mean, no one would "choose" to think about depressing things if they were happy. :lol:


But you don't really "choose" all your thoughts. Sometimes they just come unbidden. I have often thought of sad things while happy (which of course dampens my happiness). I think of it as a matter of probability. If you're depressed, the chance of you, say, remembering a sad event is greater than the chance of remembering a happy event. But either can still happen.



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20 Jan 2008, 10:21 pm

Brittany2907 wrote:
I mean, no one would "choose" to think about depressing things if they were happy. :lol:


I do sometimes choose to think depressing thoughts though. It can be alluring to revel in pessimism sometimes, even when I’m in a good mood. Pessimistic thoughts don't affect me as much when I’m happy though.



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21 Jan 2008, 3:59 am

the significance of this is that positive thinking is baloney, at least if A is right.



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21 Jan 2008, 7:06 am

NewRotIck wrote:
Brittany2907 wrote:
You will only think depressing thoughts if you are sad...I mean, no one would "choose" to think about depressing things if they were happy. :lol:


But you don't really "choose" all your thoughts. Sometimes they just come unbidden. I have often thought of sad things while happy (which of course dampens my happiness). I think of it as a matter of probability. If you're depressed, the chance of you, say, remembering a sad event is greater than the chance of remembering a happy event. But either can still happen.


This is true...but, if you started to think sad thoughts while you were "happy", you must not be as happy as you originally thought. If a person was happy, consiously and subconsiously, their thoughts would be pleasant. If they were happy consiously and sad subconsiously, there is a chance that a negative thought could "sneak in" at any unsuspected time. Well...this is how I see it anyway.


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21 Jan 2008, 5:02 pm

NewRotIck wrote:
Well people have been debating this chicken-and-egg problem for centuries, and I don't think anyone knows for sure yet. But my favourite theory is that thoughts and moods are like a feedback system, and either can trigger the other. In other words, both A and B can be true. If you're depressed, you're more likely to think of sad things, and thinking of sad things can make you depressed.


There is definitely a feedback system. For people that are really serotonin depleted (or have some other condition), it may be primarily physical. But most people are 'balanced' and can shift according to a variety of things.



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22 Jan 2008, 11:37 pm

bheid wrote:
which comes first, the thought or the mood?


Cognitive psychologists, like Ellis, would say that the thought (the interpretation) comes first.


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