Women and the bible...

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http://www.cybercollege.com/antiwoman.htm

well, thats just sick. It promotes women as sex objects, and not human beings.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 BBE
(13) If any man takes a wife, and having had connection with her, has no delight in her,
(14) And says evil things about her and gives her a bad name, saying, I took this woman, and when I had connection with her it was clear to me that she was not a virgin:
(15) Then let the girl's father and mother put before the responsible men of the town, in the public place, signs that the girl was a virgin:
(16) And let the girl's father say to the responsible men, I gave my daughter to this man for his wife, but he has no love for her;
(17) And now he has put shame on her, saying that she is not a virgin; but here is the sign that she is a virgin. Then they are to put her clothing before the responsible men of the town.
(18) Then the responsible men of the town are to give the man his punishment;
(19) They will take from him a hundred shekels of silver, which are to be given to the father of the girl, because he has given an evil name to a virgin of Israel: she will go on being his wife, he may never put her away all his life.
(20) But if what he has said is true, and she is seen to be not a virgin,
(21) Then they are to make the girl come to the door of her father's house and she will be stoned to death by the men of the town, because she has done evil and put shame on Israel, by acting as a loose woman in her father's house: so you are to put away evil from among you.

Keep in mind that the bible was written when women were considered sexual objects by many cultures. The book was also part of the old testament, too. The new testament is more believable, based on Jesus' teachings, and contradicts the "old".

One of the funny things about the way the whole world saw the daVinci code thing was that they were so obsessed with the parentage of Jesus that they forgot the most damning/interesting part of the book...

That Mary Magdelene had deliberately been painted (descriptively) as a whore to take focus off her womanhood and that she, not Jesus was actually the more important person.

Now, I don't want to get into religious debate or even a nice circular arguement about whether a work of fiction is truth... I'm just saying that it's funny that even with all that focus on the book, the general public looked in the wrong direction.

So, the only way to proof her virginity was for the bride's parents to keep the blood stained clothes after their first sex activity, right? then how about the women who broke their hymen before marriage, when younger for an accident or some other reasons than having sex?

So, the only way to proof her virginity was for the bride's parents to keep the blood stained clothes after their first sex activity, right? then how about the women who broke their hymen before marriage, when younger for an accident or some other reasons than having sex?[/quote

Reporting it might be a good idea.

Anyone want to discuss the rest of the chapter?

These laws are part of Kali Yuga, which is the degenerate age, and began before Moses. They show the disrespect and male ego which started to become the major characteristic of Kali Yuga, the Paternalistic society.

These laws also have to do with a tribal existence on the edge of survival, where behaviors like these could threaten survival, as you couldn't have a lot of undercurrent hostile feelings going on, you were too close to the edge of life to tolerate this.

These laws were made by nomads. Only a long time later did any of these people settle down in cities, and they kept laws whose actual purpose was forgotten.

Just like America, and any other large country today. All kinds of old laws with forgotten basis are still on the books; some of them look very much like these very same kinds of laws!

We have no real understanding of that state of life, we live in stable cities and towns in a somewhat-civilized society that doesn't have this critical edge, and we really don't think about why these people came up with such laws.

That's interesting, but what...

it would have sucked balls to be born a woman in those times.

Sedaka said:

or even to be born a woman in the wrong country and wrong religion today.

Woman Stoned for Adultry 2005

wow great idea snoopy, i also guess having sex with a 9 year old like muhhamed did or whatever his name was is also a good idea

well, one comment I can say about this is that there is a good reason to doubt the claimed direct inspiration from God in the Bible, and this being more like texts written by men with their own ideologies and proposals rather than God's in a direct form, living in a society in which women were inferior and men's property.

I asked a religous person and it was denial denial denial:

"Fascinating. Wrong, but fascinating. Pretty much all of those quotations are either taken out of context or misinterpreted, which has given rise to the extreme view of what the Bible apparently says. As with any book written thousands of years ago, it must be read with it in mind that it was written for people of a different culture, and applying it to present-day life means using common sense as well as faith. For a start, society back then was anti-woman, in as much as women were seen as less important than men. That isn't a Biblical ideal, that's society, and Judaism had to take that into account. The same can be said of many other things in the Old Testament that might be seen today as barbaric, like wiping out whole tribes of people. Back then, that was the only way of doing things.

Besides anything else, the Bible is actually revolutionary in its view of the importance of women, and at the time surprised many people by its talk of gender equality and the number of times women feature in important roles throughout history. That web page lists 12 passages that are apparently anti-women; I could easily argue against each interpretation, and also give at least that number of pro-women passages too."

So its ok to change it when it doens't suit!

Wouldn't the more conservative Jews continue to follow these laws today?

I'd certainly hope not but some people in countries like Saudi Arabia apparently do.