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27 Dec 2007, 1:34 am

Hey..... I actually kinda suck at math, I'll be honest I never advanced past algebra 1 part 2 yet.... but much of that is because they always left small little steps out which ended up making huge differences, I can't figure out how to divide/multiply fractions/decimals. However, once it's shown to me in small enough detail I will have no problem learning it (that's just how my mind operates, it may be an aspie thing).
I wanna know if there are any sites where I could go to in order to develope my math skills, eventually I wanna learn geometry as well.... And I wanna know if there is a site that can show me how to explain things mathematically. Does anyone know of any such sites?



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27 Dec 2007, 4:00 am

http://www.math.com/practice/Geometry.html

Off the top of my head thats the only one I can think of but i'll keep looking for ya.
Anyway I suck at math not because i can get the right answer but I don't know how to show the work, I do most of it in my head.



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27 Dec 2007, 5:29 am

I sometimes mix up numbers in my head and miss minute details. I could understand why something would happen or the process most of the time, it's just that sometimes I just screw up the little details. It could also be that we just have a different learning process as compared to neurotypicals. I enjoy doing and learning math, it's just that I'm not very good at it for those reasons. I think I have to spend most of the time teaching it to myself because I think mostly in pictures while neurotypicals don't think nearly as much in pictures. Anyways, here's a good website that you might benefit from:

http://www.thinkquest.org/library/cat_s ... l?cat_id=9


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27 Dec 2007, 9:49 am

I had a hard time with formal algebra classes in high school, and learned most of my math in science classes. Then when I got into college and had to retake algebra, it all made sense. Geometry was always intuitive to me because it was spatial.

I would look for websites on the mathematics of motion, music, or whatever you are interested in. Logarithm math made no sense to me in math class, but I picked it up fine when dealing with pH of liquids, or doing serial dilutions of bacteria.



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27 Dec 2007, 12:34 pm

I wanna learn how to prove or disprove non math related things mathematically, I've seen people do this before but I couldn't grasp it. But math can be used to explain anything and everything on a grander scale. So I could use it to prove or disprove philosophical theories, but I need to know where to learn this though.



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27 Dec 2007, 1:43 pm

snake321 wrote:
I wanna learn how to prove or disprove non math related things mathematically, I've seen people do this before but I couldn't grasp it. But math can be used to explain anything and everything on a grander scale. So I could use it to prove or disprove philosophical theories, but I need to know where to learn this though.


?? Can you give some examples? If it really is non-math related, then I don't see how math would help. Are there non-math related things?



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27 Dec 2007, 4:24 pm

I dunno.... like uh.... this is difficult to explain, but I'll try..... Like people can conclude mathematically that god does or doesn't exist, the age of the earth, etc?



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27 Dec 2007, 4:33 pm

snake321 wrote:
I dunno.... like uh.... this is difficult to explain, but I'll try..... Like people can conclude mathematically that god does or doesn't exist, the age of the earth, etc?


Have you seen A Beautiful Mind? The main guy is a mathematician (with schizophrenia) who made some big developments in game theory. He did some interesting math/logic proofs that relate to various every day situations. Maybe check out game theory.

The mathematical 'proofs' that show that there is/isn't a God are not really accepted by most mathemagicians.



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27 Dec 2007, 5:09 pm

snake321 wrote:
I dunno.... like uh.... this is difficult to explain, but I'll try..... Like people can conclude mathematically that god does or doesn't exist, the age of the earth, etc?


Monty is correct, and on the contrary, some people believe that the mathematical order of the universe suggests that some sort of god does exist. As for the latter, that is neither philosophical nor a mathematical (though math is involved) issue. That is geology.

I think if philosophical ideas were that easy to disprove with mathematics, there would be a whole lot less philosophers. :lol:



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27 Dec 2007, 8:38 pm

Yeah, I began as a hardline atheist actually, however I have been coming to the conclusion too that some sort of god exists, in fact Albert Einstein also was in the process of concluding the scientific existence of god. I don't believe it's the god of a religion though, I believe religion to be man-made. So my theory is that we're all children of the same god.



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27 Dec 2007, 8:42 pm

Game theory is interesting. One of the most generally applicable math-like subjects is Logic, which deals with the relationships between the truth values of propositions, and has been used recently to rigorously formulate the ontological proof of the existence of God (which, as pointed out, is not accepted as proving He is real).


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27 Dec 2007, 9:04 pm

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Monty is correct, and on the contrary, some people believe that the mathematical order of the universe suggests that some sort of god does exist.


Certainly, some have written propositions that the order of the universe suggests or proves God. But that is not a proof in any mathematical sense. It is far more an intuitive argument, and really only proves that there is an underlying order to the universe. It does not speak to the issue of why there is such order.

I have heard of a few mathematical attempts at a formal proof of God, but those are not widely accepted. These seem to me to be post hoc reasoning.



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31 Dec 2007, 1:44 am

I suggest just getting a very good math book and studying on your own rather than going to a site if your main objective here is to learn basic math. Also review anything you have not mastered since math is cumulative and if you don't know fractions, you can't do algebra. At your level, just get any standard textbook in elementary algebra or geometry and it'll be fine. Make sure you do plenty of problems. Math is more important for you to develop the ability to think at a high level. Can you be more clear about what you mean by "a site that can show me how to explain things mathematically" as opposed to any site that teaches you math.

I know that there are small crucial steps that are left out often. Sometimes, they expect you to fill in the details or it may be obvious to the teacher or book author, but they don't know it's obvious to the students.

If you have math problems you need help in, you can post in the forums of artofproblemsolving.com



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31 Dec 2007, 7:21 am

If you're crap at maths I'd suggest this site:

www.vedicmaths.org

It's a site that teaches you how to use the ancient Vedic methods of doing maths; there so much logic and pattern and geometry to it... I'm a person who would get literally 10% overall for a year (with 99% in english, haha) prior to finding this site. After that I was getting 70% or higher - it just makes sense. Plus it's interesting to see another method other than what you'll be taught in school.


Otherwise, why not research the Golden Section/Divine Proportion/Phi (1.6183...)?? It's so beautiful, some say proof of God or a higher consciousness... a single ratio found throughout everything in nature, without exception.


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31 Dec 2007, 7:32 am

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