Does this scare the sh.t out of anyone else?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/s ... 05,00.html

International Information Consoritium?
Sharing Iris scans, fingerprints, etc.
This seem one more step toward fascism to anyone else?

And don't give me the lame cookie-cutter crap you got from Fox news about it being "necessary in the WAR on TERROR". That war is as existant as the war on drugs, they're both meaningless and cost a f...ton of money.

I don't live in the U.S., but I'm a bit scared of the americans. All of their "Godly Righteousness & Retribution" is f-ing dangerous to the rest of the world.

No offence to individual citizens intended. Except, of course, for some individual politicians.

I'm a bit scared of us, too.

Rome once fell and took civilization with it for over a millennium, the problem is when America goes down in flames its going to take the rest of the world with straight to hell. What scares me is there's so many religious nuts here that want that to happen.

Not scared of the other countries that wish to have complete control over their citizens?
England implements many more invasive/intrusive measures currently than the U.S., that are made public anyway.
Russia, China... while the U.S. does make the news quite often about it's 'war on terrorism' (which I am totally against much like all our other self-proclaimed wars.. drugs among them) we are still actually quite free to be much more anonymous than what I see Europeans and Asians being allowed to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, if only the US had the same privacy rights as the UK.

Interesting.





I don't know about you but I'm more worried about the idiots who are killing each other over misinterpretations of scriptures.

Retribution is a give/take thing. I had nothing against Israel when they decided to wantonly bomb Lebanon, but over what? Nothing was accomplished and they even bombed all the way to Tripoli. It didn't make sense.

Both campaigns are neccessary, I just dont think that they're being conducted in the best ways.

If it was up to me, I'd withdraw most troops from Iraq, and just have troops defending the airports and tighter airport security. There would only be suppression of major uprisings, not individual insurgents. The presence of NATO troops on the streets of Iraq is largely what's causing alot of the violence. Let the Iraqis fight amongst themselves. NATO armies can withdraw honourably. Iraq doesn't need a foreign military police force. Only troops to defend critical positions, and to train the Iraqi police and military.
I would also push greatly for an armistice in the western middle east, but I don't see how it's at all possible at the moment, when the Arab states hate Israel so much. I think that it will end with decisive violence, one way or another.

Also, the security measures being taken domestically are a bit extreme.

And the war on drugs is no farce. Action must be taken against narcotics-dealing scumbags.

Here's my take on things Anubis...

War on Terrorism...

As it is defined here in the U.S. it is predominently about Middle Eastern Terrorists.

As in Vietnam, we are trying to fight a ghostly foe. While there certainly are organized hierarchies which recruit their 'soldiers', the issue of fighting these soldiers is a difficult one. We never know enough about who's carrying that bomb or who's carrying that weapon that will be used to shoot/stab/decapitate the next victim(s).
Look at Iraq... there's no standing Terrorist Army with an identifiable uniform and headquarters that we can attack.
The Coalition soldiers over there have to wait until they see someone they regard as suspicious, or armed, or pointed out as a suspect by some informant. Then they can possibly identifiy their enemy.

Secondly... about Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries... the general emphasis is to push a Western political system on those people. Little regard seems to be taken for their history and the social and political systems they have lived with for their entire lives.
It's all about them changing for us... not us realizing they have a system of government that they have used for centuries and apparantly worked for them all this time. Of course this has meant they do things that we in the West find appalling... but who's right? We do things that they find appalling also.

In this so-called 'War on Terrorism', we piss off so many of the common people that they take up arms along with what I would really call terrorists. These people (as in Iraq) do find our presence there to be an invasion of their soverign nation. I believe some of the Iraqi citizens might be glad we came over, but I also believe there are others who wish we hadn't or at least we had done so in a better planned way so we coudl exit sooner and leave their country to them.

I do believe that in the 'War on Terrorism' we have unwittingly created more of these so-called terrorists. Simple people fighting to protect their home are not what I would call terrorists.

The war on drugs....

Again, from an American perspective, this is a giant failure and a farce for the most part.
There is this pervasive, anachronistic belief that we can and should eradicate the 'bad' drugs and those who manufacture, deal, and use them.

In this day-and-age, why are we still handling the 'drug' issue the same was we tried to handle the alcohol issue back in the 20's?
The plan DOES NOT WORK!
It's also snobbery at it's finest! The people who love their alcohol but turn their noses at marijuana, for example, are nothing more than a bunch or hippocrites!
Having worked in the medical field since 1976, I can tell you that far more damage has occured in the U.S. from alcohol consumption than marijuana. But we jail more people, I believe, for dope offenses than drinking offenses.

Now we even encourage alcohol consumption to support our children's schools!
I call it... "Wino's In The Park!".
All over the country, we have these wine-tasting and beer-tasting events in public parks.
I have seen where some of these events claim to be raising money for charitable organizations or our public and private schools.

I have also had the opportunity to watch how drunk these people can get... AND THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO WALK AROUND IN PUBLIC AND ALSO DRIVE HOME!
The last one in our area shows how two-faced we are in the U.S. about drugs....
Saturday... the big annual 'WINOS IN THE PARK' event.
Sunday... in the local police blotter of the newspaper... a homeless person arrested for being drunk in public.

Give me a break!

There should be NO WAR ON DRUGS!

If certain drugs are causing terrible damage to our societies and persons within, then I'm okay with trying to control the manufacture and dealing of them.

As for people who use them... the usage should not be against the law. Being out-of-control in public or at home in such a manner that other people are put in danger should be against the law. Someone caught in that way should be remanded to the custody of a treatment center NOT prison! And this treatment center visit should not be a couple of weeks or months. It should be long enough to actually clean a person's system out of the addictive substances.
This should be applied fairly to all usages of drugs INCLUDING ALCOHOL!

In the U.S. we take the drug addict and throw them into jail, most often, or toss them into a short-term ineffective treatment program which is likely to be a non-residential program of a nature that would really clean them up.

So what we wind up with is an individual who eventually re-enters society... still hooked on drugs... with a criminal record and all that entales... and quite likely to engage in the same bahavior that got them in trouble in the first place.

This is not fixing our problem... it's enabling it to continue.

We can go on-and-on here about personal responsibility and all, but the facts are in! A person addicted to certain drugs... cocaine, meth, alcohol, nicotine, etc. find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to break away from their addiction by themselves or with a self-help book or 12-step group, or whatever if it does not include isolation from the drug and the people/place/circumstances that keep them going back to the drug.

If they murdered someone... clean them up FIRST... then throw them into prison. Tossing them straight into prison without the clean-up will not correct the individual at all... the evidence is there and it's been there for many, many years.


So basically, we allow the 'good-old-boys' to continue to run the world with these stupid, out-dated ideas on what is right and how me make people follow that.

They should do away with cash and give everyone ID debit cards using the latest ID tech available to ID people and require everyone to carry a reable ID card on them at all times so government agents would be able to scan passing people and know all about them.

i can picture readers having a total meltdown right now, but we have already handed the government similar power when we agree to drive and nobody had a problem with 24/7 survalance of truckers by making them log their every move and submit to random drug testing all in the name of public safety or do most people have a problem with the IRS tracking their personal finances, so there should be no objection by most people to furthering the government oversight of their lives when it's ok to do it to other people.

wsmac is correct Anubis. I do think hard drugs should be illegal, however, I don't think we need a war on them. Marijuana should be legalized, alcohol is far worse then marijuana.

Of coarse the government would loose money legalizing marijuana so that is a big reason why they'd never do it. Because our government puts drugs on the streets, police bust someone with them, keep part of the drugs to themselves and either use them or sell them back on the streets. Most of the major king pins in the drug trade are in business with the government and will not be taken down because of this fact. Especially criminal gangs and mafias.

Over here, the rest of Europe already have access to DNA data held by the UK authorities, and DNA is taken from you and kept indefinitely if you're arrested. Even if found innocent they still keep a record. Furthermore, you can be found guilty of something in another European country, without even being present there to defend yourself. The British government will then deport you to that country, where you will be locked up to serve your sentence. Worse still, our government has its nose so far up George's a***hole that it deports British citizens to the US, even when they've done nothing that they can be prosecuted for here.

It all stinks, and the sooner the British people kick-out the traitor Brown and tell the Yanks and Europeans where to go, the better.

I worry life-long that people who don't live here don't understand that when things like this arise, a lot of us Americans get very,very nervous, and we like the 'Godly Righteousness and Retribution' even less than you do.

Hard recreational drug use screws up society. I am not so much against the "softer" drugs as I am hard drugs, but they often lead to harder drugs.

Alcohol has few side effects, even beneficial effects, if used sparingly, as does Caffeine.

I stand by my position, that there should be decisive action, at least against illegal narcotics dealers and barons. There could even be research into a vaccine which nulls the effects of illegal drugs.

As for "terrorists", I think it is often misused as a brand against rebels, freedom fighters and insurgents, rather than the truthful meaning sometimes. It is a person or group which uses terror attacks to bring about political change. I didn't even make any such comments referring to Iraqi fighters as terrorists.

I think rather, that the so-called "war on terror" is more of a crusade against Islam, if you think about it. Names aside, I think that leaving critical positions in Iraq while there are still significant levels of violence may cause problems for western nations, if Iraq's weak government is toppled when NATO forces withdraw. We need to get a ceasefire and try to talk with these Islamic fanatics. That's one thing that hasn't been tried.

Ugh, more creeping totalitarianism. This BS needs to stop, NOW!

Don't believe everything you read in the world press regarding the US; much of it is biased or plainly untrue.

Seeing how European media portrays Americans, you'd have to believe we're all either homeless, rap stars, Pentacostal snake-handlers, soul-less billionaires, or Elvis impersonators.