Problem children put on DNA list?

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This smells rotten. I could jive with uniformly putting children on such a list, for several reasons. It's hardly a radical idea because we've been taking prints at the time of birth for a long, long time. However, a lot of children suffer from developmental disorders that could result in apparent behavioral problems in school, such as the meltdowns or problems with communication that Aspies often suffer from.

On the other hand, it isn't too much different from taking a person's prints when he's arrested. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's been found guilty of a crime, but it is a sensible protocol.

Still, it wouldn't be too much more expensive to take the "DNA fingerprints" of apparently well behaved children as well. It isn't extremely costly to do, and it's a once in a lifetime thing.

The man who thought this up is a monster. Way to create fear and mistrust in the police from the very beginning!

They should do this universally, not just in particular cases. It could also encourage marital fidelity.

Yeah. Like I said, I could jive with that. It would have been a good idea if I hadn't sniffed resonances of racial profiling. It had the same justifications these forensics guys are suggesting. Why not just put more cops on the beat in rough neighborhoods, and actually train them to establish good relations with the people they're put there to protect, whether from others or from themselves? Instead, the cops are trained to think, "It's a world full of evil people, so let's see how many excuses we can make up to screw up their lives." Dumbass Republicans think like that, man. What happened to the idea of, "To Protect and Serve"? If they're not there to improve people's lives, then they shouldn't be there. If I have an employee that isn't doing anything useful, that employee is going to be fired or laid off. That's my feeling toward the police. The police are not there to keep people intimidated. Society is not a prison, and they are not its guards. If they're not improving our quality of life, we're better off without them.

The guy isn't even thinking about how this could be used to track down missing or kidnapped children or how it could be used to spot potentially life-threatening genetic defects later in life. There are a number of uses for this idea besides treating children as criminals. Our job, as adults, is to protect them from that crap. That's how we keep rambunctious kids from GROWING UP to be criminals: shielding them from the fact that the world is filled with hate and distrust, so maybe they can grow up to believe in the idea that the world can be a better place. Yeah, that's why we do it. It's one of the reasons we keep them away from the backstabbing, false hopes and heartbreak of sexual relations for until they're mature enough to PROTECT themselves from those hazards.

Last edited by Griff on 17 Mar 2008, 9:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

While they make most of their business off the highway running through Jordan, some of the police, if they have nothing better to do, will go after minor violations/nit-pick details. I wouldn't say their attitude is one of paranoia, but rather business like and looking for profit it would seem.

If they have nothing better to do, they should spend their time building up the community fabric. Say they've run criminal gangs out of the territory, right? Good! That accomplished, they should start trying to get the neighborhood gunned up with a good community watch and give some of the more responsible citizens some free firearms training just in case the gangs tried to move back in. Once the government has done its job, its job is to render itself irrelevant. We never know when world politics could go crazy again and there could be times that we'll have to rely upon our own community fabric to protect ourselves. World War Three isn't going to be put on hold forever, you know. Instead of treating it like Doomsday, we should be preparing ourselves to put in an honest effort to survive it.

Projectiles are outlawed in Jordan within city limits. I throw rocks at inanimate objects. Jordan.

Hehehehe. Around here, people carry around guns and knives to make themselves safer. I don't see what is so safe about guns and knives, but, since people insist on carrying them around anyway, local rednecks should be trained in how to use the things without killing innocent bystanders. Rednecks annoy me, but, between hating them and getting them to do something useful, I choose wringing some usefulness out of them.

Kinda like people who have ADHD: some of the brighter ones make good soldiers or work well in other occupations.

A wise culture puts annoying people to work, rather than hating on them.

ADHD, ADD, and AS are no longer permitted in the Army or Air Force (probably the Navy too, but I didn't talk to their recruiters. As for the Marines...it's a more likely possibility of acceptance.)

As for guns, my uncle in Michigan has tons of them. They're quite easy to aim if you just follow instructions. That assumes however the correct target has been acquired.

/me feels like quoting Grundrechtsterror but of course since it's the wrong language won't.

So let's start with something different: 'innocent until prooven guilty'. A child at this age is not guilty in the juristic sense. it is just different. This is important. Any 'Minority report'-like systems are a violation of this basic legal principle, coded into the constitution. In Germany, it would violate the first article of the Grundgesetz since treating innocent children like a criminal does infringe on their dignity. Last but not least there are feedback-effects. If teachers and parents know how the police assesses you, they will change the way they treat you - and not for the better.