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KRIZDA88
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11 Mar 2008, 8:10 am

Dad sent this to me... it's pretty interesting...


A FRIENDLY REMINDER-----------------


Just in case you may think this person would make a good president.

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.'

- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies
(Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary' involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

- In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense:

---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.

---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury

---- And Bill was impeached by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath).

- Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

- Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars.
(There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

- As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. she has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

- Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume`, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family...


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11 Mar 2008, 1:40 pm

Hillary should be disavowed from the Dem nomination. Even though I am voting for McCain, I would rather see Obama take the nomination than Billary.



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11 Mar 2008, 1:54 pm

Believe it or not Obama is more radical on several issues than hillary is but the press allows him to be the tefflon candidate no accusations ever stick to him because all he has to do is refuse to comment and they don't push it any further... He tries to hide too much at least you know what you are getting with hillary and there is plenty of dirt on her so its better for the republican party if she is nominated because people know how bad she is, noone knows much about Obama except what he says about himself...


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11 Mar 2008, 1:58 pm

Here is an article on Obama's positions as "my" state senator (the fact he was elected in Illinois is bad enough we have one of the most corrupt state governments in the nation no thanks to Chicago).

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7312.html

Here is a summary of his positions from foxnews.com:

Abortion:
Obama supports abortion rights. He opposed restrictions on public financing of abortions while serving in the Illinois legislature. He said partial-birth abortion only focuses on 1 percent of all cases, and would entrust a woman to make such a decision for herself.
Energy/Environment:
Obama would create a cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, taking revenues generated from the program to help those negatively impacted by the limits. He would also raise fuel efficiency standards for cars. Obama would establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard that would require all transportation fuels to contain 5 percent less carbon by 2015 and 10 percent less carbon by 2020. He believes the plan would spur investment in renewable fuels and help reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions.
Immigration:
Obama says it is vital to bring out of the shadows the 12 million illegal immigrants currently living in the U.S. by implementing a system through which illegals could earn citizenship by paying a fine, learning English, and waiting their turn behind legal immigrants. Obama says the U.S. needs a better employment verification system and more serious employer sanctions for those who hire illegal immigrants. He also voted for the 2006 Kennedy-McCain immigration reform bill and is in favor of a border fence.
Iraq:
Obama favors a time line for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. He introduced a bill that would cap the number of troops in Iraq at 130,000, the number on the ground before the recent surge. Obama was not in the Senate in 2002, but was opposed to the Iraq war from the start.
Taxes
Obama would let expire tax cuts for households earning more than $250,000. He acknowledges that additional revenue might be needed to achieve his health care goals, but says a large amount of money can be saved within the existing system.


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-If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it?


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11 Mar 2008, 9:05 pm

And Hillary is involved with Autism Speaks.

If she becomes the Democratic nominee, I'm voting for McCain.


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11 Mar 2008, 9:14 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
And Hillary is involved with Autism Speaks.

If she becomes the Democratic nominee, I'm voting for McCain.
Obama's got the popular vote - let's hope he can pull it off in Pennsylvania.



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11 Mar 2008, 11:43 pm

I distrust Hillary so much that if she gets the nomination, I'll vote for Nader or McCain.

However, this line in the original post was ridiculous.
"Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. "

There's nothing wrong with people in communities reaching out to help each other, to get to know each other, to know that your neighbors know your kid. It cuts down on crime, for one thing.

That line reveals the writer of that message is on the far right and the writer would have a better chance not alienating Democratic leaning voters without inserting that kind of narrow-mindedness.


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12 Mar 2008, 8:05 am

People are individuals; not communities or groups. That is why socialism fails. Socialism advocates making people into groups which operate like a hive. This may work well in the insect kingdom, but it does not work with humans. Hillary fails to grasp the concept of the individual or individual rights. You do not have to be on the far-right to oppose socialism or be in favor of individuality.

Actually, if you think about it the far-right and the far-left have a lot in common, They both favor abolishing the individual and collectivizing everything for the "good of society". Hitler is considered the most far-right person who ever lived, and he didn't respect individuals. He seen Germans as worker ants that must bow to his will for the good of the nation. This is not much different from Stalin and his communist system. Keep in mind that Hitler advocated an ideology called "National Socialism" so Hitler was a Socialist.

So Hillary, by advocating socialism, is of a similar mentality as Hitler or Stalin. In their way of thinking individuals don't matter, and you're just a number, or a statistic.



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12 Mar 2008, 1:08 pm

Wrong Planet is a community of sorts. Does that make it socialistic?

If forming communities were so unnatural for humans, why are there so many churches?


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12 Mar 2008, 2:32 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
And Hillary is involved with Autism Speaks.

If she becomes the Democratic nominee, I'm voting for McCain.


Even though Hillary and Obama are much closer to each other politically than either is to McCain? Doesn't make much sense to me, honestly. I think McCain as president would be like a third Bush administration.



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12 Mar 2008, 4:30 pm

McCain isn't as conservative as he makes himself out to be he was always one of the first republican senators to join with the democrats and oppose Bush on something. He also supported that horrible immigration bill (that once it failed was called "Bush's Imigration Plan" even though Ted Kennedy was the one who pushed for it in the first place). He's pretty strong on national defense but that's about it. He certainly wasn't my first choice but now he's the only choice. This year it will be a case of voting for the lesser of two evils and whether Hillary or Obama get the nomination McCain is still the lesser of two evils. Now that I'm finally old enough to vote, I don't like any of the choices I have whereas in the past the choice was clear but it didn't matter I was too young. Oh well.


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12 Mar 2008, 4:31 pm

srriv345 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
And Hillary is involved with Autism Speaks.

If she becomes the Democratic nominee, I'm voting for McCain.


Even though Hillary and Obama are much closer to each other politically than either is to McCain? Doesn't make much sense to me, honestly. I think McCain as president would be like a third Bush administration.


To me, it doesn't matter what Hillary says her politics are. She is too corrupt for me. So is that lobbyist lover McCain. I just hope that if either McCain or Hillary get elected that the Congress will stand up to them. If it a Demcractic majority in Congress they'd be more likely to not question Hillary's actions as much as they would McCain's.


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12 Mar 2008, 6:16 pm

KRIZDA88 wrote:
McCain isn't as conservative as he makes himself out to be he was always one of the first republican senators to join with the democrats and oppose Bush on something. He also supported that horrible immigration bill (that once it failed was called "Bush's Imigration Plan" even though Ted Kennedy was the one who pushed for it in the first place). He's pretty strong on national defense but that's about it. He certainly wasn't my first choice but now he's the only choice. This year it will be a case of voting for the lesser of two evils and whether Hillary or Obama get the nomination McCain is still the lesser of two evils. Now that I'm finally old enough to vote, I don't like any of the choices I have whereas in the past the choice was clear but it didn't matter I was too young. Oh well.


You have enough information. I can join you in that thing called voting your conscience. I am tired of getting the lesser hand.


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12 Mar 2008, 9:35 pm

Most politicians are corrupt, though I'm perhaps naive enough to think Obama is an exception. Nevertheless, the president has real power to affect the important areas of Supreme Court nominations and foreign policy, among other things. That's mainly what I base my vote on.



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12 Mar 2008, 10:12 pm

OregonBecky wrote:
Wrong Planet is a community of sorts. Does that make it socialistic?

If forming communities were so unnatural for humans, why are there so many churches?


What you are describing are voluntary communities where people have joined voluntarily. Socialism is about FORCING you into the collective against your will.



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12 Mar 2008, 10:15 pm

srriv345 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
And Hillary is involved with Autism Speaks.

If she becomes the Democratic nominee, I'm voting for McCain.


Even though Hillary and Obama are much closer to each other politically than either is to McCain? Doesn't make much sense to me, honestly. I think McCain as president would be like a third Bush administration.


Maybe it would be like a 3rd Bush administration, but some people would rather vote for the devil they know rather than the devil we don't know. We know what to expect from Bush, and we survived 8 years of him, so we can probably save an administration of someone like him as well.

But as for Hillary? Who can say. She is pretty scary.