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What would your view be closest to?
Young Earth Creationism (Genesis is historical) 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
Old Earth Creationism (Genesis is allegorical) 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Theistic Evolution (God helped evolution happen) 20%  20%  [ 10 ]
Intelligent Design, (not sure who the designer is) 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Naturalistic Evolution (all things occurred on their own) 65%  65%  [ 32 ]
Total votes : 49

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09 Mar 2008, 2:20 pm

Just list your view and why (if you want to.) If you have a compulsion to flame me or anyone else for expressing their views, I ask that you do not post.

I am YEC.

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09 Mar 2008, 2:23 pm

Naturalistic Evolution



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09 Mar 2008, 2:29 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I've decided to favor the theologically correct view (as far as I can tell) of young earth creation rather than old earth creation.
My ass. You can't even keep your theology straight.



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09 Mar 2008, 2:33 pm

Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I've decided to favor the theologically correct view (as far as I can tell) of young earth creation rather than old earth creation.
My ass. You can't even keep your theology straight.


So you can't change what you wrote...



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09 Mar 2008, 2:35 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So you can't change what you wrote...

Honestly, I don't think Griff would really care to.



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09 Mar 2008, 2:41 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So you can't change what you wrote...

Honestly, I don't think Griff would really care to.

That may be so, but just in case.



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09 Mar 2008, 2:42 pm

My views are simple. I will not say that a conclusion is well supported if it is not well supported. I will not pretend that there is evidence for something where there is a dearth of evidence. If I feel a tingly sensation in my little toe, I will call it a tingly sensation in my little toe, whether it is on my right foot or my left foot.

Divine origin theories simply lack support.



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09 Mar 2008, 2:46 pm

Griff wrote:
My views are simple. I will not say that a conclusion is well supported if it is not well supported. I will not pretend that there is evidence for something where there is a dearth of evidence. If I feel a tingly sensation in my little toe, I will call it a tingly sensation in my little toe, whether it is on my right foot or my left foot.


This I agree with.

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Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.



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09 Mar 2008, 2:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
My views are simple. I will not say that a conclusion is well supported if it is not well supported. I will not pretend that there is evidence for something where there is a dearth of evidence. If I feel a tingly sensation in my little toe, I will call it a tingly sensation in my little toe, whether it is on my right foot or my left foot.


This I agree with.
If only you had the nuts to apply it.

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Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.
Wrong again. You asked for our views, and I told you mine. If you wanted arguments for them, you should have asked.



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09 Mar 2008, 3:40 pm

Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
My views are simple. I will not say that a conclusion is well supported if it is not well supported. I will not pretend that there is evidence for something where there is a dearth of evidence. If I feel a tingly sensation in my little toe, I will call it a tingly sensation in my little toe, whether it is on my right foot or my left foot.


This I agree with.
If only you had the nuts to apply it.


I do apply it, but in doing so I cannot agree with you.

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Quote:
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Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.
Wrong again. You asked for our views, and I told you mine. If you wanted arguments for them, you should have asked.


You felt you had a right to critique what I can only see as correct, yet you wont accept a like statement from me?



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09 Mar 2008, 4:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
My views are simple. I will not say that a conclusion is well supported if it is not well supported. I will not pretend that there is evidence for something where there is a dearth of evidence. If I feel a tingly sensation in my little toe, I will call it a tingly sensation in my little toe, whether it is on my right foot or my left foot.


This I agree with.
If only you had the nuts to apply it.


I do apply it, but in doing so I cannot agree with you.
Witty. You should become a comedian.

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Quote:
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Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.
Wrong again. You asked for our views, and I told you mine. If you wanted arguments for them, you should have asked.


You felt you had a right to critique what I can only see as correct, yet you wont accept a like statement from me?
You asked for opinions. I gave you mine. You treated it as if it were meant to be an argument. I don't accept this, and, for that matter, I consider it nastily dishonest at best.



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09 Mar 2008, 4:18 pm

Griff wrote:
Quote:
Griff wrote:
Quote:
Griff wrote:
Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.
Wrong again. You asked for our views, and I told you mine. If you wanted arguments for them, you should have asked.


You felt you had a right to critique what I can only see as correct, yet you wont accept a like statement from me?
You asked for opinions. I gave you mine. You treated it as if it were meant to be an argument. I don't accept this, and, for that matter, I consider it nastily dishonest at best.


Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I've decided to favor the theologically correct view (as far as I can tell) of young earth creation rather than old earth creation.
My ass. You can't even keep your theology straight.



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09 Mar 2008, 4:28 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
Quote:
Griff wrote:
Quote:
Griff wrote:
Divine origin theories simply lack support.


That was certainly Ex Nihilo.
Wrong again. You asked for our views, and I told you mine. If you wanted arguments for them, you should have asked.


You felt you had a right to critique what I can only see as correct, yet you wont accept a like statement from me?
You asked for opinions. I gave you mine. You treated it as if it were meant to be an argument. I don't accept this, and, for that matter, I consider it nastily dishonest at best.


Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I've decided to favor the theologically correct view (as far as I can tell) of young earth creation rather than old earth creation.
My ass. You can't even keep your theology straight.
I don't get it, so I'll just sing you a song.

Leck mich im Arsch!
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Knurren, Brummen ist vergebens,
ist das wahre Kreuz des Lebens,
das Brummen ist vergebens,
Knurren, Brummen ist vergebens, vergebens!
Drum laßt uns froh und fröhlich, froh sein!

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09 Mar 2008, 4:54 pm

My view is that issues of the supernatural are irrelevant to questions of biological origins (or any other scientific question), which makes me a "weak" theist.


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09 Mar 2008, 5:05 pm

We scientists have the fossils and DNA sequences. You Creationists have nothing but blind faith

We win. 8)


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09 Mar 2008, 5:05 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
My view is there will be no final conflict of data. Since God has convinced me of His existence at the age of 13 and with the research I've done, I've decided to favor the theologically correct view (as far as I can tell) of young earth creation rather than old earth creation. It is my hope that in the future technical issues will be resolved objectively.

Wow. So you're not even pretending not to suffer from confirmation bias. "Objectively?" No, you mean in the future technical issues will be resolved in such a way that vindicates your worldview. Be careful with claims of "theological correctness." My theology, which I would consider to be at least as valid as yours, does not compel me to reject science.


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