Universe Creation

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The universe was created in a battle between Space Mushrooms and Time Ninjas.

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Really I think what really proves our case is Incompetent Design. I mean, really, how many things are designed well from the chaos of battle? Not many. This is why penguins can't fly, platypuses are so funny looking, and why most people are so stupid. Incompetent design theorists have been carefully analyzing all of the features of creatures and recognize that so many of them suck that an evolutionary process isn't possible.

Well put, for indeed the catacalysmic and hallucinogenic results of the raging cosmic battle did create such moot and broken creatures. Speaking of moot and broken, don't even get me started on Pluto.

From another thread, I wrote this:

Your Intelligent Design-esque post belongs in this ridiculous and satirical thread. I personally think Space Mushrooms and Time Ninjas seems more probable.

Also man, before you start spouting off numbers (see "Limiting to a soup of just these 17, the odds of this molecule occurring by chance are 17^-124 or 1 out of 3.8e152."), assessing probabilities of methods we do not currently understand. How this probability came about and what factors are considered are imperitive to using this in a debate.

Now, to assess ridiculous probability, there was a man in s**t... Minnesota I believe it was... that captured a picture of a herd of eight deer, three of which were albinos. A man who apparently had knowledge about the wildlife in that region concluded that between migration patterns, the area they inhabit, and that out of a population of 800,000 deer, only 20 were albinos, the "probability" of in any flock of eight deer in one area there being three albinos was numbered one in 87 billion, but it happened.

Probability is a tentative thing and without multiple repeated independant tests showing proper correlation (as any good statistician knows), should never be used in an argument, and certainly not to discard any scientific knowledge we currently have about chemistry and molecular biology. Especially not when that knowledge happens to tell us that in the over 400 million year window after the earth changed from being primarily volcanic to having an ocean and thick toxic atmosphere, a simple lightning strike in the right spot rich in materials needed to synthesize amino acids could have sparked life. 400 million years, atmosphere and sea rich in a multitude of elements, constant chaotic storms on the surface, such synthesis seems probable.

It is quite the freak occurance and improbable that our planet was in the right spot, with the right amount of materials to synthesize life, with the right lightning strike, the right environmental conditions. However, if it werent for freak planets like Earth, life would not exist (or have begun in the first place, if we were indeed seeded by aliens). Yes, any planet's probability of generating life might be ridiculously low (by cosmic standards) for all I care, but there are many many many more planets in the universe than anyone on Earth can fathom.

Forgive me for my mild outburst here, but I absolutely despise the idea of Intelligent Design in any form, be it aliens or God, whatever. It's a fun little idea to play around with, especially when the apparent "probability" seems quite daunting when talking about synthesis of life, but that is absolutely no reason for toss out the massive scientific advances we've had cracking this mystery.

Keep Intelligent Design out of science. Science's purpose is to figure out the natural forces and causes for the phenomena in our universe. Life had to start somewhere, and discovering how it could have happened naturally would be an amazing advancement in knowledge. Saying well I think aliens did it does nothing. The only thing left is God did it, but that's a feel-good copout to make religious people feel better about themselves and their philosophical choice. Neither have a place in science.

On the other had, Incompetant Design does seem promising. There is ample proof for Space Mushrooms and Time Ninjas :D:D:D:D:D

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"In physics and cosmology, the anthropic principle states that humans should take into account the constraints that human existence as observers imposes on the sort of universe that could be observed. In other words, the only universe we can see is one that supports life. If it were a different type of universe, we would not exist to see it."
-wikipedia

I don't know, you don't know, God doesn't know. No one knows. Deal with it, history shows it hasn't done anyone any good by making assumptions.