The Sabbath

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I just found this site:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seventh-Day- ... ection.htm

Would like to read comments about the subject,
here is my opinion on this:

First, I was kinda raised adventist, so for all of them the Sabbath is very important. Not only adventists but other denominations which they believe they are as how early christians were at the time of Jesus or after his crucifixion. And not "corrupted" as they are after the romans adopted christianity. And well, that is where this comes from.

I have read some posts regarding that the sabbath was abolished by Jesus himself, also have read about Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:1-2 as some sort of evidence that the old law was abolished, the problem here is that it never explicitly says the abolishion of the observation of the Sabbath, not there and anywhere in the Bible, and that interpretation comes from something very ambigious. The thing is that the Bible keeps mentioning the observation of the Sabbath as seen in that article.

I also acknowledge that the claim made about the Sabbath being abolished by Constantine is or most likely is wrong, however, it was under roman influence, because of their oppresion, so it seems to have been a gradually change so christians would distant themselves from jews to avoid persecution, around the second century. It seems that it is something still in debate by scholars on how this must have been.

Hi greenblue,
Constatine's decision to be Christian was a purely politically motivated one. He wanted a centralized church power structure to help control the masses. In return for changing the Sabbath to Sunday to Placate the Emperors Sun worship tendencies, the Church received considerable power and prestige. The Council of Nicea in 325 ad also saw the adoption of the unHoly Trinity doctrine, which dated to back before the time of Bacchus Baal and his wife and son and helped to organize pagans into the fold because it made the church more in the image of what the pagans were used to doing anyway. The term Trinity does not appear anywhere in the Bible, it must be inferred after the proper indoctrination has been used.
I started out as nominally Methodist but got mad and refused to go back to church at age 7. About 30% of my family is nominally or actually SDA. I never listened to them about religion, but I was with an SDA woman for a couple of years in the mid 80s.I moved to Utah and my brother and sister in law weren't happy that instead of hooking up with a Mormon girl I was with a Mexican Seventh Day Adventist. I listened to her points and studied and conclude that she was right , there is no holy trinity. The Sabbath is Saturday (sabado in Spanish). The one thing I did not agree with her on was that vegetarian diet, I don't have a 4 chambered stomach. If I ever decided to be Christian instead of Atheist I would lean toward SDA beliefs. This is a good topic to bring up greenblue.

I feel kinda the same way, if I would become a believer for some reason (agnostic now) it would be towards SDA very likely, however I wouldn't go with everything they teach, as I know there are other sabbatic denominations, and I would feel to be in between them. Things point out to be that way about the Sabbath because of the romans, as we all know they changed Christianity radically, in a lot of aspects (Catholicism)

I really doubt that Jesus abolished the practice as being claimed and the importance of the 10 commandments, and very likely he actually observed the sabbath and the law as well (10 commandments)

About the trinity, well, the church I used to go did actually believe in the trinity, they didn't have any issue about that as I remember, but it seems to me that might have also to do with it, it makes sense to think of it as being an influence from paganism.

If I were to become a believer of the Judeo God again(also currently agnostic) I'd go Noachide. I doubt I could ever seriously believe in Jesus. Though as Christians go, I respect the SDAs more than the rest.

My view though: Christians tend to bend and twist things all out of whack(Or I should say they reject Jesus and James and embrace Paul). There is no new covenant that rejects or abolishes the old, and there never will be(While this earth exists anyways). What is so hard to understand about these sentences: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."?

Has everything been accomplished? No, Jesus has yet to return to fulfill his promise, or to fulfill the requirements of the Messiah.

Has heaven and earth disappeared? I'm still here, and you must be too, so again no.

"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

Sounds like Jesus agrees with the Jews. The Christians are in contention, even contempt, of God's law.

Anyways, thems my two pence.

Thanks for your reply, I never saw any discussion and debate about this subject in here, as seventh-day Adventists and similar denominations seem to be a minority within christianity, it could explain why there wasn't any discussion about it on this forum, there are a lot of people that never heard of it actually, how come I had to be a member of a minority group once or twice? There are some people from Judaism religion here though, that have posted in here.

Yes I find these topics interesting and totally agree the Paul remade the Church into something altogether different than it had ever been, and pretty inconsistent with most previous writings,