An interesting video about Satanism

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl9oM4f1xdQ&NR=1[/youtube]

I think satanism is a very misunderstood religion, and the christians in the video didn't do themselves any favors.


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Last edited by -Vorzac- on 23 Mar 2008, 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

How is Satanism misunderstood by Christians? Is it like how Nazism was utterly lost on the Jews? Unless the central figure of satanism is actually Spongebob Squarepants, we Christians have a pretty good bead on it.

Well,pretty obviously based on what you've said.



Oh great, Invoking Godwin's Law by the second sentence, a sure sign of utter incompetence and inability to respect what you obviously don't understand. Nice going ret*d.



No you don't, you've proven that with your stupid ignorance. You obviously have no grasp of what satanism entails and nstead continue to spread the misinformation that your pointless dogma decrees.

All in all, a great first post.

Idiot.

Satanist are just confused Christians, I don't believe in either, Satanist are just as fcuked in the head as Christians

fair enough

Deliver us from evil topic

I do not think name calling has anything to do with enlightenment, -Vorzac-. We are entitled to own beliefs, however erroneous they are.

There is an interesting book called The Satanic Bible, written by one Anton LeVay, should you need any more info about Satanism.

I have no problem with wiccan practices, it was the christens who called it satanistic. I am native and have a big distrust for any organized religion, especially ones that lack any real spirituality.

That's one way to look at it. There are many paralells between the Satanist vs Christian debate, if you want to call it that, and disputes between Catholics and Protestants, or Orthodox and Coptics or what have you, in earlier centuries, when each side tended to accuse the other of Satanism. I was going to say that Satanists are not quite bright enough to have become actual atheists.

There's a lot of interesting art having to do with Satan. I can enjoy it without believing in Satan, just as I can enjoy Bach's church music without believing in that other one. Mikhail Vrubel, a prerevolutionary Russian painter, painted lots of pictures of the Devil, this is probably the most famous one:



And as many people have pointed out, by far the most interesting character in Milton's "Paradise Lost" is Satan, even though there's no reason I know of to doubt that Milton was anything less than a very sincere Christian. "Paradise Lost" is much more popular than the less-Satanic sequel "Paradise Regained," just as people have always shown much more interest in Dante's "Inferno" than in the subsequent two parts of his "Divine Comedy" having to do with Purgatory and Heaven. In short, fascination with concepts like Satan and Hell are nothing new. And the name "Lucifer" means "light-bringer," which is hard to think of as something entirely negative -- for me, at least. "Light-bringer" reminds me of Prometheus, the fire-bringer: someone who helped people and was unjustly condemned for it.

Perhaps Satanists are not so much confused Christians ans confused pagans. They tend to celebrate all the natural things, notably sexual desire, which Christianity has spent so much time and energy condemning. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world," while Satanists and pagans, as well as normal sensible people, tend to say Well hang on, let's not throw this world away so fast, there are some nice things in it.

Last edited by Bollinger on 24 Mar 2008, 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

On some level I agree with you on Satanism, but on another level, I agree with the Christians in their ideas of Satanism based upon their framework. Honestly, I agree more with the ideas of the Satanists than with the Christians as I tend towards libertarianistic ideas, and frankly I don't care much for the construct of "society".

Fallen angel topic

Devil in blue suede pants. Nice physique!

Every religion is the past 2,000 years has been deemed satanic by the church at one point or another, including other types of christianity. Though satanism is really just a religion that believes in carnalism and not satan, I think it's about time a religion mocked the biblical foundation.

If they call themselves Satanists but say that they don't believe in Satan, then to me -- and apparently not just to me -- they sound confused. And kind of silly. Like most other religious people.



I for one am perfectly capable of mocking all sorts of things without having to resort to religion. So many people, although they're critical of this or that aspect of the cultural tendency they were brought up in, seem to need to remain religious. To me they seem trapped by nonsense.

Close, actually.

Okay Vorsac, I'm willing to admit that satanism may not be what I think it is. Maybe you should explain it to me so I understand your perspective. I may not agree with what you say but at least I should give it a fair shake. Just to show you I'm not ignorant or totally closeminded.

Go ahead, tear me a new one.

Spongebob is CLOSE to central figure? WTF?

Satanism is the worship of Satan, is it not? Really, can you blame a person for thinking that? And if in fact the deity of your religion is "Satan," by any popular definition ... am I really that obtuse Varsic?

The Wiccan faith is almost synonymous with devil worship, but I've reason to believe it is in fact just a pagan religion that got chewed up, spit out, and shat upon by the early Catholic Church. I am not ignorant of how xenophobic and paranoid the early church was, nor do I suffer any illusions of its moral infallibility.

But no one is purely a victim all the time, and everyone is guilty of spin-doctoring their own PR campaign. The monstrosity that was the Church of the middle ages cannot and should not be denied. The German people have a particularly dark chapter in their history, but are willing to admit it.