My idea to put jobseekers in public service roles in the UK

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Last edited by Ante on 09 Nov 2005, 8:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It could be a good idea, but I think they should have the choice, and they should be paid a small fee for it, as a token gesture. There is the worry of creating a sub-tier of slave-labour 'employees' that do not even receive the minimum wage.

I agree, in principle, Ante. But I'm not sure how easy it would be to make it compulsory, and it wouldn't be the whole solution.

Id want minimum wage or turn to crime. Obviously not everyone on incapacity can work. What about talented people that are stuck in a rut, i take it the idea is the work is only temporary so that they could go back to pursuing college or their carrer?

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Last edited by Ante on 09 Nov 2005, 8:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

TOILET ATTENDANTS??? You mean that people on welfare over there are too lazy to even wipe their own ass? And you guys talk so much crap about the US.

Please tell me you're kidding Sean.

Sean, get a job before you lecture us over being scroungers. Though it will have to be one that isnt too taxing on the brain if you dont understand the role of a toilet attendant.

My Dad reckons when he was young the older people would teach you stuff and you made mistakes and were given the time to learn from them and everyone that worked together socialised together. During the Thatcher ran eighties this changed and it became all about getting ahead as an indidual and everyone now is trying to screw each other to make themselves look good in front of the boss.

All employers seem to be looking for qualified people with x amont of years experience instead of giving them the chance to learn so jobs are going unfilled but since dog eat dog is the way now if the employer does take you on and teach you stuff and spend time and money on you it is now common for the employees to leave right after they are qualified and compete with the employer, this particularly affects small business.

Mostly you need to be a bit fly or a con artist to get far in the work and business environments these days. Having looked at business practices when i was working i seen corruption all the time so it is hypocritical for these people to question the morality of being unemployed when society as a whole is responsible for bringing the problems of economic and social decline about.

I dont want to sound like swampy or anything but i see monetary systems and the way they are handled as an evil way for the rich and powerful to divide and control. It needs abolished for a fairer system. Then we should set about sustainable ways of living on the earth. The dinosaurs died out because they werent adabtable enough and the same will happen with humans unless we can make the political dinosaurs die out by coming up with and voting in a fairer alternative. Sorry to hijack your thread Ante, carry on.

I agree with the sentiment in broad terms ante, but have difficulty with the detail. Applying for a job now is more about "show me you are willing to mutilate yourself enough to fit into the role we allow you to perform" than it is about doing something worthwhile. People feel alienated for good reason, people are excluded from jobs with some employers on the basis of post code (they use it as a measure of credit worthiness to indicate if they can trust you, it replaced graphology which was used by some companies to reduce CV piles), coming from the wrong area will also indicate the likliehood of mixing with undesireable elements and criminals. Past involvement with drugs can lead to some being almost unemployable, no matter what they are like now and some people feel ashamed of their past to the point they panic when appling for a job. There is no shortage of "wasters", but they take advantage of the measures put in place to protect others and will continue to do so until they think it worthwhile to do otherwise. I wish I had the answer.

To be honest i think the more people that claim the dole the better for society as a whole right now (though not for the individual). Until there is more reasonable policies and resources put into working class areas and better conditions of employment and a more substansial minimum wage then it is good that the capitilist right wing economies dont have people willing to work for peanuts to keep the fat-cats in a privilaged position and bending over backwards to impress the employers while trying to run down your workmates. To be honest the practices in a lot of workplaces, particularly the traditional working class one like construction and factories sicken me and i wouldnt want be part of it anymore.

So say I. "The scrounger that calls a scrounger a scrounger is a worse scrounger than the original scrounger".

Sean, nationalisation works perfectly unless some fat bullying country like the US steps in and illegally tells other people how to run their countries.

Nationalisation worked fine in Britain until the Thatcher coup in 1979, when she decided to privatise for no reason whatsoever.

I've heard the word "toilet attedant" before, but I don't know what it is. Personally, I don't see why you would need two people to take a piss, take a crap, or do anything else in the bathroom.

Oh and I'm trying to find a job, but the prospects in the area were destroyed more than a decade ago by the Clinton administration's policies. Right now I do freelace computer repair because I wouldn't be caught dead on welfare.

Ok - a toilet attendant is someone who works in public bogs, making sure they are clean, no syringes on the floor etc, and putting off muggers/paedophiles etc from loitering. Sadly most public conveniences don't have them, so they are filthy and often dodgy places to have to go spend a penny.

just to clear this up before any further misunderstandings take place...

a "toilet attendant" is someone who keeps public lavatories clean, replaces loo paper, etc. it has nothing to do with helping someone to make use of the facilities.

and just a mention that there are people who need assistance with using a loo, and have carers or assistants to facilitate this.

Toilet Attendant = one who cleans Public restrooms. British Tourists that I've encountered here were mystified by the lack of them here in the US, until I explained the situation here in the US.

You don't clean toilets in the US?