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sun-worship, ancestral guardians, fertility rites, totemism, personal power-animals, clan-based lifestyle with chieftains, animism, shamanism, drinking rituals, medicine bags, spirit quests, binding oaths - im really into all that stuff. anybody else?

Definitely not me.

They still exist. Move to where they have them.

can we at least get some more maternalistic religions out there to balance out all of these masculinity driven man religions?

nothing is more annoying than men who go around beating their chests like as if we're still living in caves.

The Divine has no gender. The only reason He is referred to as such is because most wouldn't want to call Him IT. I've no problem, but whatever.

Go rent yourself, "A Man Called Horse"... maybe that will help

You just need to live your own life.
Practice this on your own... maybe through that you'll find like-minded people.

Try going to Rabbitstick in Idaho... sometime around September.
Or it's Spring relative... Wintercount... sometime in February in Arizona.

Here's a link from a different site --->RABBITSTICK PHOTOS

Check out Abonet.com (I think that's it)

There are folks out there that try to live an aboriginal/primitive lifestyle in the U.S., but it's very difficult to do it without some entanglements of the modern world.

yeah, sure. that's why throughout most of the judeo-christian books, they vilify women much more than lift them up as positive role models. and the ones that are positive role models are subservient and little more than concubines.

they have them around here. i mean who else is interested in that stuff- not who else worships the sun, haha. yes the stuff im talking about is manly-man, but im not throwing out the idea of earth mother worship. really its mostly based on proto-indo-european beliefs, which i find fascinating. oh and its hard to find places that arent being overrun by christians and muslims who are doing their best to get rid of those beliefs to replace them with equally archaic ideas. this is just for fun, not for self-righteousnes. so im gonna go ahead and practice my primitive religion freely thank you. lol but really doesnt it make more sense to worship the sun and the rain, than something invisible whose son youve never met, who no one talks to except in their mind?

Sarah? Hannah? Hatzlelponi (traditionally the name of Samson's mother)? Ruth? Esther? Mary?

No need to insult them by referring to them as subservients or concubines.

sarah was wed off as a 13 year old girl basically sold as property.

hannah, again, was a subserviant concubine who begs to be impregnated.

mary was impregnated to mr jebus. "immaculate" because sex is bad.

samson's lured by an evil woman who cuts off his hair and takes his strength.


it's all about creating stronger and more present male figures and this continues to this day. it's a masculine religion.


"our father" not "our mother"

not to mention mary was almost completely omitted from the bible other than birth, death, and her own ascension.

You're being too critical. They are to be looked up to as role models to women.

Mary because of her piety and innocence.

Hannah because it was through prayer that she got what she asked for.

The same with The mother of Samson. Delilah should not blight her story.

You are discrediting Sarah too quickly whose name means "a woman of high rank" (She was the "crown" of her husband; and he obeyed her words because he recognized this superiority on her part --quoted from Wiki and is a traditional view of hers).

And Esther?


Would you prefer a harlot for a role model? Perhaps one of those nude wiccan goddesses?

yes.


sex is not dirty. nor is the nude female figure (or the male one, for that matter...though the female is much easier for me to look at).


really, i'm an atheist, i don't really care other than how obnoxiously chest-beating culture has gotten because of these stupid masculine religions like christianity and islam and judaism.

and who cares that sarah's name meant one of rank? it's just a name just like my name (jonathan) means god's gracious gift. it's a name. it's what the parents pick...whooptee doo! names are meaningless.

the models for women that are given are all weak, subserviant concubines whose job is just to pop out kids and be the man's property (hence innocent till that one man owns her).

and no, not all cultures were like that. it was just the garbage ones like christianity and judaism and islam.

I found that a funny response.

Now for the rest:




1) Sex is not dirty. Sex becomes abhorrent during certain scenarios. I need not mention them.


2) The reason you do not care about Sarah's name is because you are ignorant. The names are very important, trust me. If you were to go through with that mentality, reading Vedic scriptures would be of no use--whether you believe it or tried to discredit it. Also, the fact that you are unaware that "Sarah" was a title and name given to her by The Lord shows how much you know about the subject matter.


3) It is because you are against the religion that you label the women in the stories as such. I'm sure you'd claim that Khadija was just another "old-aged whore who tempted a young man."


4) How aware are you of other people's culture?

just because you don't like it when a chick takes a stanley steamer on your chest doesn't mean that it should be banned for everyone.

you can't legislate taste and i can't help it that your upbringing left you softer than a baby's skull.



prove to me there is a "the lord" before you start crediting him with granting titles when most likely it was just parents naming their kids what they wanted and he was probably very proud to have that daughter so he picked that name.

and i went to parochial school from k-10 and left for public school for 10-12. i know a good bit about interpreting the bible and its meanings and what interpretations different sects have of it. just because you interpret it a certain way doesn't make it any more real other than to yourself. and that's just satanic....you're your own god.



it's because i'm against the culture that those religions try to propagate and perpetuate. i don't think women are subservient items whose job should just be to pop out the kids and raise them and that's pretty much the only image offered. though i can't tell how much is censorship that would date back to roughly maybe constantine's time or a hundred or two years after. they did a lot of book burnings back then and a lot of editing of the books. gnostics were pretty much all obliterated and thankfully some of their books have survived.



very. doesn't mean i have to approve of it. hell, i don't even respect some aspects of many cultures because i think it's stupid and dangerous or it impedes the people's ability to move forward as a society.

i'm not someone who believes that you should respect everything about every culture becaise that's stupid and leads to apologist garbage like in europe where they're bending over backwards for muslims who want more and more of their law on the legal books.

Ahh. I'll treat your first comment as a joke. Anyways:

1) How can I prove to you that it was The Lord if I've not a time machine to travel thousands of years to the past to witness the event outside the residence of Abraham's? Your accusation of me using a personal interpretation is not even applicable. For a person who went to parochial school, you've overlooked the importance of what I was referring to. The proof is in the verses for you to study.


2) See here is the problem many "modern-day free-thinkers" have when referring to the "outdated, usless, and archaic" books that billions cherish. They are not applicable. To expect that the women in the bible, or any other scripture to have any resemblance of an Amazonian heroine, a fire-breathing feminist that destroyed society's norm is truly absurd.

I'm even thinking about the women in Hinduism. You'd probably speak ill of them and just label them "whores of Krishna." What's your analyzis of Parvati? Sati? Stupid, and subservient?


3) How many cultures didn't have similar practices to that of the Abrahamists? Even in India with some Hindus acknowledging the use of purdah..

hell yeah id support a naked witch as a role model. pfft are you kidding?