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Have you ever personally sensed God's presence beyond a shadow of a doubt?
Yes. 48%  48%  [ 13 ]
No. 52%  52%  [ 14 ]
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02 May 2008, 11:42 am

Has there ever been a moment in your life when you felt God's presence,
and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that He was real?
Many people I've encountered throughout my life have reported
such experiences, as have I.

This super-clear insight could come through an experience as simple as seeing
ducklings following their mother on a pond,
or by watching a magnificent sunset.
Or, such clarity could come through something much more dramatic,
like a sudden and profound major life change.

Have you ever had such a moment of higher consciousness,
or felt God was speaking to you through nature?
Have you been made aware of Him suddenly, and seemingly without cause,
as if He simply wanted you to know He's there?


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02 May 2008, 12:14 pm

I answered no, even though I have had experiences that may be as you describe. But I cannot accept logically the certainty part, I am a limited being so I cannot conclude any perception is infallible. Even a schizophrenic is absolutely certain of his perceptions while the rest of us can demonstrate they are in error and result of a malfunction.

However, existence implies that there is a cause for existing and I conclude that that cause must be an intellect with great power and as I perceive desires ultimately good for His intelligent creations. Yet uncertainty is a fundamental aspect of existence, science seems to indicate our physical reality could not exist with out it. I also think that the Creator expects nothing more then we are capable of in trying to understand. How could He expect anything more? I also think people unnecessarily harm their own minds fighting a 'war' against the unknown and asking all sorts of questions about the 'meaning' of life. No one can force a flower to open before it is its natural time so why be impatient with life and the universe?



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02 May 2008, 8:08 pm

I answered yes . I asked god to give me absolute proof that I would see my boy friend again. ( He lives on the other side of the planet). I had lost my promise ring he gave me , it had been missing 6 months. I had lost it in a ditch where rain water moved quite quickly into a drain and into the river. I had searched high and low, and it had been raining through out those 6 months. I looked down after I asked for a sign , and I saw my ring sitting in plain sight. I felt his presence I felt as if he was telling me to look down . The funny thing is I knew what I was gonna find , almost as if god was speaking to me . Not in words but in emotions or something like that . People thing your egotistical when you say god speaks to you, but I believe he speaks to every one they just have to listen. :wink:



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02 May 2008, 8:37 pm

Not God, never the God you think of. It is how Einstein, Hawking, or Thoreau would speak of god - the feeling (nay, realization) that you ARE nature, and that you are a product of nature, and that you are governed by all the same laws.



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02 May 2008, 10:21 pm

sim wrote:
Not God, never the God you think of. It is how Einstein, Hawking, or Thoreau would speak of god - the feeling (nay, realization) that you ARE nature, and that you are a product of nature, and that you are governed by all the same laws.


QFT! There is an excellent book on this called The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality.


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02 May 2008, 10:23 pm

people feel stuff all the time, it doesn't prove anything other than a potential case of schizophrenia or more simply a god of the gaps response to a phenomena or stimuli.



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02 May 2008, 10:44 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Has there ever been a moment in your life when you felt God's presence,
and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that He was real?
Many people I've encountered throughout my life have reported
such experiences, as have I.

This super-clear insight could come through an experience as simple as seeing
ducklings following their mother on a pond,
or by watching a magnificent sunset.
Or, such clarity could come through something much more dramatic,
like a sudden and profound major life change.

Have you ever had such a moment of higher consciousness,
or felt God was speaking to you through nature?
Have you been made aware of Him suddenly, and seemingly without cause,
as if He simply wanted you to know He's there?


I think my experience with what I call a higher power came from sobering up. It took a while but in meetings I definitely got goosebumps and at times when one person't story of destruction gave me a wake up call as to what I had done to my family and others while under the influence.

In my meetings without the fighting debating and cross talk, it makes a difference when one can share their personal stories without the worry of labels and put downs. That's where I at times would feel a moment of clarity whether it was religious, spiritual, or feelings. Not an easy or simple thing to explain.


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02 May 2008, 10:59 pm

I guess I've felt those instances but I think it was more of cooling wind on a hot day sort of thing.



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03 May 2008, 1:51 am

In short: Yes.

Now to say "He is real", I don't know. He IS. That is all.



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03 May 2008, 6:48 pm

No, never, not once. I have never experienced anything that could even be called remotely spiritual. This is neither good or bad, it is just my reality.


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05 May 2008, 10:06 am

just-me wrote:
I answered yes . I asked god to give me absolute proof that I would see my boy friend again. ( He lives on the other side of the planet). I had lost my promise ring he gave me , it had been missing 6 months. I had lost it in a ditch where rain water moved quite quickly into a drain and into the river. I had searched high and low, and it had been raining through out those 6 months. I looked down after I asked for a sign , and I saw my ring sitting in plain sight. I felt his presence I felt as if he was telling me to look down . The funny thing is I knew what I was gonna find , almost as if god was speaking to me . Not in words but in emotions or something like that . People thing your egotistical when you say god speaks to you, but I believe he speaks to every one they just have to listen. :wink:


That's an amazing story, and one of so many countless such miracles that I have heard from people, and some I have experienced myself. I think we all know our Creator, deep down. It's simply part of the human condition to sense Him now and then. He even evidences Himself to stark non-believers, but they never benefit by it because they quickly block it from memory or explain it away, due to willful disbelief.


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05 May 2008, 10:11 am

oscuria wrote:
In short: Yes.

Now to say "He is real", I don't know. He IS. That is all.


I hear ya!


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05 May 2008, 10:12 am

There's a lot of people not voting on this poll.
What's that about? :?
I mean, it's anonymous, so it can't be any fear
to do with sharing one's personal experiences.


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05 May 2008, 11:00 am

Ragtime wrote:
There's a lot of people not voting on this poll.
What's that about? :?
I mean, it's anonymous, so it can't be any fear
to do with sharing one's personal experiences.


I can't vote. The problem is the word "God". It has been so used and abused over the millennia that to me it has no concrete meaning. It also means very different things to different people. I can honestly say that I have had deep spiritual revelations but I cannot in all honesty anthropomorphise that into a vague concept that others call "God".



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05 May 2008, 11:50 am

TallyMan wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
There's a lot of people not voting on this poll.
What's that about? :?
I mean, it's anonymous, so it can't be any fear
to do with sharing one's personal experiences.


I can't vote. The problem is the word "God". It has been so used and abused over the millennia that to me it has no concrete meaning. It also means very different things to different people. I can honestly say that I have had deep spiritual revelations but I cannot in all honesty anthropomorphise that into a vague concept that others call "God".


Well, for clarification, what I meant by the original question was: "Have you ever experienced your Creator, free of whatever attributes others may have applied to your Creator?" Indeed, God doesn't always formally introduce Himself, or give a detailed theology during a devine revelation.


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05 May 2008, 1:09 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Well, for clarification, what I meant by the original question was: "Have you ever experienced your Creator, free of whatever attributes others may have applied to your Creator?" Indeed, God doesn't always formally introduce Himself, or give a detailed theology during a devine revelation.


As you apply the attribute of "Creator" to your concept of god, then I would vote no, as I have no such belief. Sounds like you are using a classical definition of God as per Christianity or Islam. My spiritual revelations did not include a cosmic building contractor.