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What do we do with corporate bosses?
Strip them of their money, and chuck 'em in jail. 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
Strip them of their money, and chuck 'em in jail. 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
Tax them into the ground - but no imprisonment 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Tax them into the ground - but no imprisonment 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Subject them to extra tax and better employment laws 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
Subject them to extra tax and better employment laws 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
No Action 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
No Action 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
What!! These guys are heros!! !! 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
What!! These guys are heros!! !! 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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21 Oct 2005, 3:29 pm

Check this out, Comrades. The sooner we tax 'em and lock 'em up, the better.

They are a danger to ethical society.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.html



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21 Oct 2005, 4:06 pm

Not all Corporate Leaders are psychopaths!! !

Is Bill Gates a psychopath? He is just a good business man.


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21 Oct 2005, 5:08 pm

Corporate Psychopath: Boss of a large company who cares only for profit and self-gain at the expense of other people and the environment!! !

The sooner decent folk stop defending these guys, the sooner we can all have better living and working conditions!! ! Unfortunately, it is decent people like you Kevv that prop up the oligarchies!! !!



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21 Oct 2005, 5:51 pm

the mentality "profit über alles" must be banned out of all managers minds!

NOW!

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21 Oct 2005, 8:45 pm

It's always nice reading about how money brings out the worst of people.


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21 Oct 2005, 9:09 pm

kevv729 wrote:
He is just a good business man.

Well, Gates is a really good thief who had the remarkable ability to correctly project the rise of personal computers and captured key markets early.

I'd definately put him in the corrupt category.
I'd also put him in the phenomenially good business man catagory.

His wife, and his father have made their living giving away his wealth to worthy causes.
He does remarkable philanthropic work.
I just wish that Microsoft built better products.



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24 Oct 2005, 11:38 am

Corporate managers and executives are not definitively psychopaths. I suppose there are some who aren't completely amoral and corrupt. You can't put an extra tax on people just because they choose to be business executives and managers; that goes against the ideal of equality. It would be best to create laws that reward corporations that are community minded and not solely driven to maximize profit for shareholders.



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24 Oct 2005, 12:27 pm

If you read the whole article, Neant, you will see what I mean.

I am not saying that all executives are profit-mad psychopaths, but most of them are. Being an executive is all about controlling people and playing with them as if they were toys. Unlike politicians, CEO's and business owners don't have to answer to the public for their actions. They pay the top lawyers to find loopholes in the law, and exploit them.

I am saying that all people taking important jobs should be screened for psychopathic tendencies. If they are psychopathic in nature, they should be admitted to a mental hospital, just like any other potential criminal.

I don't understand why so many people defend these people's right to exist above the law. Why do so many people defend their actions on ruining the environment, treating their employees like s**t, tax evasion, bribing politicians, etc?

Yes, they should pay a higher percentage of tax than anyone else. If they earn more, they should pay more. The rich should have to pay for the priviledge of staying rich and keeping the rest of us in poverty.



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24 Oct 2005, 1:04 pm

RobertN wrote:
If you read the whole article, Neant, you will see what I mean.

I am not saying that all executives are profit-mad psychopaths, but most of them are.

I have read the whole article. It never claimed that the majority of business executives and managers are psychopaths. It elaborated that other personality styles for managers include narcissistic and obsessive-compulsive personalities. I'm sure there are more than those three, by the way. As bad as the corporate scandals are, they are not the complete reality.

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I am saying that all people taking important jobs should be screened for psychopathic tendencies. If they are psychopathic in nature, they should be admitted to a mental hospital, just like any other potential criminal.

It may surprise you to know that you are a potential criminal. Who isn't? At least in the United States, we have the concepts of due process of law, prohibition against imprisonment without trial, etc. Psychopathy screening instruments have potential for abuse, too. How would you like it if you were locked up for having done no wrong but because the potential exists? That's ridiculous! Even psychopaths have some ability to control themselves; they are not actively mentally ill in the sense of being psychotic; they have a personality disorder like someone who is anal retentive.



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24 Oct 2005, 4:00 pm

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It may surprise you to know that you are a potential criminal. Who isn't? At least in the United States, we have the concepts of due process of law, prohibition against imprisonment without trial, etc. Psychopathy screening instruments have potential for abuse, too.


I am not saying lock them up!! That was a joke!! All I am saying is that people who have psychotic and pyschopathic ideas and tendencies should NOT hold important jobs or be in positions of power. At the moment, there are too many nutters at large destroying our world, all under the guise of "business as usual".



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24 Oct 2005, 4:26 pm

Well, thats entirely riddicouls to bar large segments of the population from following their dreams. . . . . . . . .regardless of their psychopathy.


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24 Oct 2005, 4:48 pm

Prometheus is right RobertN

All types of people hold and create jobs for themselves and for others.

You need to target the consumer more than business executives. That is how you make changes in these businesses and their practices.


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24 Oct 2005, 5:19 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
It may surprise you to know that you are a potential criminal. Who isn't? At least in the United States, we have the concepts of due process of law, prohibition against imprisonment without trial, etc. Psychopathy screening instruments have potential for abuse, too. How would you like it if you were locked up for having done no wrong but because the potential exists? That's ridiculous! Even psychopaths have some ability to control themselves; they are not actively mentally ill in the sense of being psychotic; they have a personality disorder like someone who is anal retentive.]


Sadly, since Jose Padilla, due process is worth nothing, your rights have been stolen and no-one told you. This brings you closer to our position in the UK where if you are suspected of being on your way to a protest (to protest), you can be detained as "conspiring to cause a breach of the peace or cause criminal damage". Our rights are also being stolen at an alarming rate.

I think if we are talking about equality, considering managers as equals is an oxymoron. I don't believe all managers are psychopaths or have personality "defects", that would leave them very little to aspire to. They grow into these characteristics due to asocial competitive pressures. In some ways I very strongly agree with you, we need more emphasis on the social aspects of management and stronger measures to ensure those companies ding a good job are rewarded. I also think we need a measure of compulsion to ensure companies don't just transfer the problematic aspects of operation to the Third World thus escaping their responsibilities.



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25 Oct 2005, 6:12 am

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Well, thats entirely riddicouls to bar large segments of the population from following their dreams. . . . . . . . .regardless of their psychopathy.


I have a dream, Prometheus. I am going to murder loads of people, and it is my right to carry my dream out!! :roll:

Get real!! !!



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26 Oct 2005, 6:04 pm

RobertN

Would You stop all people that have dreams.

Anybody that wants to start or own a company or be a executive of a company.

I say GOODLUCK.

It truly would be hard to stop that person I think.

I think YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.

MYSELF.


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26 Oct 2005, 6:45 pm

RobertN wrote:
Prometheus wrote:
Well, thats entirely riddicouls to bar large segments of the population from following their dreams. . . . . . . . .regardless of their psychopathy.


I have a dream, Prometheus. I am going to murder loads of people, and it is my right to carry my dream out!! :roll:

Get real!! !!


Being tremendously wealthy and being the executive of a company is not similar or even comparable to murdering people. RobertN, that is false analogy, which is a corruption and perversion of logic, and will not help further your argument or convince people to take your stance on the issue.

RobertN, I am very much on your side of the political spectrum. A lot of my views would be considered socialist. However, I continuously find myself in a disagreement with many of your political ideologies. I'd like you to correct me if I've misunderstood you. Here is the problem. You seem to be more interested in revelling in the rich's demise rather than assisting in the poor's progress.