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28 May 2008, 9:48 am

Bush's Press Secretary from 2000-2006 confirms everything you suspected about Bush, the conservative cabal, and more.

Summary: A Culture of Deception.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 79_pf.html
http://www.ajc.com/meetro/content/news/ ... _0527.html



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28 May 2008, 10:48 am

Scott Mclellan wrote:
"I still like and admire President Bush, but he and his advisers confused the propaganda campaign with the high level of candour and honesty so fundamentally needed to build and then sustain public support during a time of war.

History appears poised to confirm what most Americans today have decided - that the decision to invade Iraq was a serious strategic blunder.

No one, including me, can know with absolute certainty how the war will be viewed decades from now when we can more fully understand its impact.

What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."



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28 May 2008, 11:04 am

I wonder why the dismayed revelations of the deception of a man who thought he was acting with integrity is characterized as "snitching" when he is revealing something important of the basic nature of a regime to a public that needs to know the attitudes of the people in control. Should there be something like the "omerta" of the Mafia so that deceit and double dealings remain ever hidden?



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28 May 2008, 11:21 am

Sand wrote:
I wonder why the dismayed revelations of the deception of a man who thought he was acting with integrity is characterized as "snitching" when he is revealing something important of the basic nature of a regime to a public that needs to know the attitudes of the people in control. Should there be something like the "omerta" of the Mafia so that deceit and double dealings remain ever hidden?


Yes, the 'snitch' word has interesting tones - and very different, depending on who is responding. True believers have characterized McClellan as a lying snitch, while people who don't like the Bush administration may in fact describe it as a crime family along the lines of the mafia. So maybe that wasn't the best choice of words ... what would be a better term?



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28 May 2008, 11:34 am

It's more along the lines of understanding where the loyalties of a government official should lie. If it is felt that they should lie with an inner group of operators without regard to the honesty of their operation then probably "snitch" is an appropriate term. If a person feels his loyalties lie with the American country as a whole, another less deprecatory term such as "reveal" might be more fitting.



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28 May 2008, 1:21 pm

the book should make for a horrifying read. mostly horrifying at the level of indifference from americans about how much they're lied to and their trust is abused by the highest of offices.



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28 May 2008, 1:54 pm

Frankly, although all revelation in the matter is welcome and healthy, anyone who is not overwhelmingly aware of the nefarious operations of the Bush administration must be, to use the currently kindly terminology, severely mentally challenged.



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28 May 2008, 10:34 pm

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29 May 2008, 10:53 am

Sand wrote:
Frankly, although all revelation in the matter is welcome and healthy, anyone who is not overwhelmingly aware of the nefarious operations of the Bush administration must be, to use the currently kindly terminology, severely mentally challenged.


Yes, but his approval rating is still at the 25-30% level.



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29 May 2008, 10:57 am

monty wrote:
Sand wrote:
Frankly, although all revelation in the matter is welcome and healthy, anyone who is not overwhelmingly aware of the nefarious operations of the Bush administration must be, to use the currently kindly terminology, severely mentally challenged.


Yes, but his approval rating is still at the 25-30% level.


didn't he get re-elected president with that 25-30% approval rating?

then again....didn't he steal the election?



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29 May 2008, 10:57 am

Which, I assume, indicates something significant.



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29 May 2008, 11:04 am

skafather84 wrote:

didn't he get re-elected president with that 25-30% approval rating?

then again....didn't he steal the election?


No, his approval rating was higher in 2004. It took several years of Iraq, hurricane Katrina, and other events to convince most Americans that he really wasn't that competent.

Steal the election? In 2000, the presidency was handed to him by a Supreme Court decision. Not quite the same as 'stealing' although the wisdom of that decision is up for discussion.



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29 May 2008, 11:16 am

monty wrote:
skafather84 wrote:

didn't he get re-elected president with that 25-30% approval rating?

then again....didn't he steal the election?


No, his approval rating was higher in 2004. It took several years of Iraq, hurricane Katrina, and other events to convince most Americans that he really wasn't that competent.

Steal the election? In 2000, the presidency was handed to him by a Supreme Court decision. Not quite the same as 'stealing' although the wisdom of that decision is up for discussion.



no, i was talking about ohio. there was a hearing there with testamony from a diebold person saying that he was contacted to set up the cards like what's described in stealing democracy. he said he couldn't tell if they were used or not but he did make them.



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29 May 2008, 11:18 am

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29 May 2008, 11:39 am

Bush is the worst thing to ever happen to america. It will take years to clean up his mess. I hope his wrong doings are on his conscience forever.


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29 May 2008, 11:41 am

monty wrote:
Bush's Press Secretary from 2000-2006 confirms everything you suspected about Bush, the conservative cabal, and more.

Summary: A Culture of Deception.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 79_pf.html
http://www.ajc.com/meetro/content/news/ ... _0527.html



How does bad-mouthing someone with little evidence "confirm" anything, let alone "everything"?
Really, this is such an old trick: Liberals probably offered him millions to write a book slamming Bush,
and he took it. They do this to virtually everyone associated with sitting conservative presidents.

And in his follow-up interviews, McClellan sounded uncertain in almost every sentence he uttered.
I'm not sure he knows what he believes even now.

EDIT: In fact, the book is so vague in its "insider" claims, that I'm not even sure McClellan wrote it.
He was probably paid for the use of his name as author, and that was it.

Consider these observations by Bill O'Reilly:
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The far left in America is overjoyed that former White House press secretary Scott McClellan has written a book castigating President Bush. Now I've not seen the book, but from reports about it, we can't find any headline.

McClellan says Mr. Bush did not handle Katrina very well.
Gee, I'm stunned.
He says the president used propaganda to justify Iraq.
Again, is that a bulletin?
And again, did Tony Blair and Bill Clinton also use propaganda? They saw the same intelligence reports Mr. Bush saw.
McClellan also believes that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby conspired in the Valerie Plame case.
Forgive me if I'm bored.


:lol:

There's nothing new here! McClellan's book is little more than a series of generalizations that everyone already knew.


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