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05 Sep 2008, 2:06 pm

I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


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05 Sep 2008, 2:10 pm

I don't feel annoyed by that, only that everyone else is wrong like you are, you heretic.



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05 Sep 2008, 2:45 pm

Well, I can say they each have their own concept of what a "True" Christian is, which differs within any denomination. I can say that fundies believe themeselves to be "True" Christians because of taking the Bible literal and believing to be inerrance, although that same approach exists within different denominatinos which may contradict each other, and each believing to be the real thing. I can say that a liberal aproach will tend to make the relation to the good samaritarian, the Good Samaritarian being the True Christian, from what I heard from those points of views.


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05 Sep 2008, 4:06 pm

Tori-kun wrote:
I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


Well, I disagree.. Catholic churches aren't the same.. in fact the pope is just a freakin Illuminati man himself.. so i dont disagree with hatin on the catholic church.. it's been corrupt for a many long time.



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05 Sep 2008, 4:32 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
Tori-kun wrote:
I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


Well, I disagree.. Catholic churches aren't the same.. in fact the pope is just a freakin Illuminati man himself.. so i dont disagree with hatin on the catholic church.. it's been corrupt for a many long time.


Your so right, I mean they promote calling a man father, the god commands that you call no man father for you have but one father whom is in heaven. Also they teach that you talk to a priest to have your sins forgiven which is wrong when christ died a new covenant was born one that brought man closer to god than man has ever been, all that needs to be done is confessing your sins with thy tongue and ask forgiveness is all it takes.

Anyways the churches that are here today are all wrong, they have some major issues, due to man editing the bible, which changed the meaning.


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05 Sep 2008, 4:38 pm

philosopherBoi wrote:
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Tori-kun wrote:
I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


Well, I disagree.. Catholic churches aren't the same.. in fact the pope is just a freakin Illuminati man himself.. so i dont disagree with hatin on the catholic church.. it's been corrupt for a many long time.


Your so right, I mean they promote calling a man father, the god commands that you call no man father for you have but one father whom is in heaven. Also they teach that you talk to a priest to have your sins forgiven which is wrong when christ died a new covenant was born one that brought man closer to god than man has ever been, all that needs to be done is confessing your sins with thy tongue and ask forgiveness is all it takes.

Anyways the churches that are here today are all wrong, they have some major issues, due to man editing the bible, which changed the meaning.


I dont think it's just from man editing the bible, but i do think it's because the higher levels of the catholic church are the Illuminati.. that's all there be to it. :) not only have they come up a lot in illuminati research but it explains why so many priests are allowed to molest kids and get away with it in the church.. and why they are protected by the cloth.



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05 Sep 2008, 5:44 pm

Tori-kun wrote:
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.


You mean Jewish, don't you?



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05 Sep 2008, 6:33 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
philosopherBoi wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
Tori-kun wrote:
I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


Well, I disagree.. Catholic churches aren't the same.. in fact the pope is just a freakin Illuminati man himself.. so i dont disagree with hatin on the catholic church.. it's been corrupt for a many long time.


Your so right, I mean they promote calling a man father, the god commands that you call no man father for you have but one father whom is in heaven. Also they teach that you talk to a priest to have your sins forgiven which is wrong when christ died a new covenant was born one that brought man closer to god than man has ever been, all that needs to be done is confessing your sins with thy tongue and ask forgiveness is all it takes.

Anyways the churches that are here today are all wrong, they have some major issues, due to man editing the bible, which changed the meaning.


I dont think it's just from man editing the bible, but i do think it's because the higher levels of the catholic church are the Illuminati.. that's all there be to it. :) not only have they come up a lot in illuminati research but it explains why so many priests are allowed to molest kids and get away with it in the church.. and why they are protected by the cloth.


The Illuminati was formed as a response to Catholicism (specifically the Jesuits), old sport.


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05 Sep 2008, 7:29 pm

Just thought I would post a poem by an Australian Aboriginal songwriter, for me it pretty well sums up the hypocrisy of the majority of so called christians

KEV CARMODY
COMRADE JESUS CHRIST


He was born in Asia Minor
A colonized Jewish man
His father the village carpenter
Worked wood in his occupied land
He was apprenticed to his father’s trade
His country paid it’s dues
To the colonial Roman conquerors
He was a working-class Jew

Though conceived three months out of wedlock
The stigma never stuck
He began a three year public life
But he never made a buck
Because he spoke out against injustice
Saw that capitalism bled the poor
He attacked self-righteous hypocrites
And he condemned the lawyers’ law

But they’ve commercialized his birthday now
The very people he defied
And they’ve sanctified their system
And claim he’s on their side!
But if he appeared tomorrow
He’d still pay the highest cost
Being a ‘radical agitator’
They’d still nail him to a cross

You see
He’d stand with the down trodden masses
Identify with the weak and oppressed
He’d condemn the hypocrites in church pews
And the affluent, arrogant West
He’d oppose Stalinist totalitarianism
The exploitation of millions by one
And ‘peace’ through mutual terror
And diplomacy from the barrel of a gun

He’d fight with Joe Hill and Waleca
Mandala and Friere
Try to free the third world’s millions
From hunger and despair
He’d stand with the peasants
At the pock-marked walls
They’d haul him in on bail
He’d condemn all forms of apartheid
And he’d rot in their stinking jails.

He’d denounce all dictatorships
And Mammon’s greed
And the exploitation of others for gain
He’d oppose the nuclear madness
And the waging of wars in his name
He’d mix with prostitutes and sinners
Challenge all to cast the first stone
A compassionate agitator
One of the greatest the world has known

He’d condemn all corrupt law and order
Tear man made hierarchies down
He’d see status and titles as dominance
And the politics of greed he’d hound
He’d fight against
The leagues of the Ku Klux Klan
And the radical, racist right
One of the greatest humanitarian socialists
Was comrade,
Jesus Christ.


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05 Sep 2008, 8:48 pm

Delirium wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
philosopherBoi wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
Tori-kun wrote:
I'm so sick of people claiming they are "true" christians, and that the Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. are wrong.
None is right or wrong. They're just different branches that belong to the same Tree of Christianity. Each has their own strengths and faults, but they all have the same basic core.
Belittling others who belong to a different denomination other that yours does not make you more Christlike, accepting them does.
Everyone is a sinner no matter what, so just deal with it already!
In my opinion, if you follow the Ten Commandments, pray, and give service to your fellow human beings,(NONE OF WHICH IS WRONG) than you are a Christian.

Does anyone else here feel just as annoyed as I am?


Well, I disagree.. Catholic churches aren't the same.. in fact the pope is just a freakin Illuminati man himself.. so i dont disagree with hatin on the catholic church.. it's been corrupt for a many long time.


Your so right, I mean they promote calling a man father, the god commands that you call no man father for you have but one father whom is in heaven. Also they teach that you talk to a priest to have your sins forgiven which is wrong when christ died a new covenant was born one that brought man closer to god than man has ever been, all that needs to be done is confessing your sins with thy tongue and ask forgiveness is all it takes.

Anyways the churches that are here today are all wrong, they have some major issues, due to man editing the bible, which changed the meaning.


I dont think it's just from man editing the bible, but i do think it's because the higher levels of the catholic church are the Illuminati.. that's all there be to it. :) not only have they come up a lot in illuminati research but it explains why so many priests are allowed to molest kids and get away with it in the church.. and why they are protected by the cloth.


The Illuminati was formed as a response to Catholicism (specifically the Jesuits), old sport.


Well then that makes them a target for infiltration.. I didn't say the Catholic religion was founded as a secret society.. just the same way they take over corporations, businesses, charities.. they go after influential groups of all nature.



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05 Sep 2008, 10:07 pm

The thing is, people point at the Catholic church like it's the ONLY corrupt branch. It isn't.
And what I've noticed throughout my life is that people are more afraid of what they THINK a certain branch teaches, rather than what it is.


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05 Sep 2008, 10:16 pm

Frankly, when anyone asserts that they have all the answers, may they be theist, atheists, or agnostics of any kind, my BS detector goes haywire.


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05 Sep 2008, 11:51 pm

Fortunately I've never even heard of anyone who honestly thinks they have all the right answers. When debating we act like it, but then that's what a debate is, you take a position and staunchly defend it.

Anyway, here's my take on what a true christian is, because there are many who practice it w/o even knowing that's what they're doing.

Christianity was never meant to be a secular religion, it was the idea of "crossing" all religious ways i.e. use whatever you need from any and all to get the job done. So there is a difference between the christian religion which is all inclusive and christian sects which exclude even other christian sects.


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06 Sep 2008, 12:03 am

I have all of the right answers. Not even BS, the answer to all of your questions is pi.



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06 Sep 2008, 12:27 am

Tori-kun wrote:
The thing is, people point at the Catholic church like it's the ONLY corrupt branch. It isn't.
And what I've noticed throughout my life is that people are more afraid of what they THINK a certain branch teaches, rather than what it is.


They are all corrupted, the Churches don't teach what christ taught they teach what gives them power. That is why I turned my back on the churches and said f*** this and went to study on my own.


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06 Sep 2008, 2:22 pm

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They are all corrupted, the Churches don't teach what christ taught they teach what gives them power.


And why should Jesus's words be so important? The point is not finding out who or what best represents Jesus; the point is finding out who or what best represents truth, wherever it may lead.