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NeantHumain
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08 Sep 2008, 8:18 pm

One of the most striking things I've noticed about conservatives in general is their lack of compassion for others; self-interest guides conservative policy more than anything, and that self-interest benefits the present economic élite most. The hypocrisy becomes most striking when they claim to be true, good Christians. Those who are in poverty or some other bad situation are looked down upon, the idea being that, "God helps those who help themselves." As they look the other way, they feel good about their personal security and morality. Libertarians, at least, do not have the hypocrisy that comes from injecting their religion into contradictory political views. Conservatives will gleefully remove any trace of government-sponsored social welfare, giving the platitude that maybe private charities and volunteer groups will fill the void.

The one area where conservative seem to show an inkling of compassion is their pro-life stance; however, this call to the "sanctity of life" is forgotten when their bloodlust leads them to call for the deaths of persons who committed capital crimes (George W. Bush) and for the gruesome hunting, slaughter, and gutting of animals for sport (e.g., Sarah Palin). Their eagerness for war, nominally in defense of national security, directly leads to the deaths of many civilians and soldiers (e.g., Americans and Iraqis in the Iraqi War).

My experience has been that the average conservative has less compassion than the average American (although there are of course exceptions). They "make up for" this by attempting to have the government mandate a strict and usually religiously peculiar (peculiar in the sense of deriving from one religion in particular) set of laws legislating sex acts, marriage, etc. in a way that disenfranchises many people (e.g., gay people).

I have read somewhere that, in general, liberals and conservatives tend to prioritize different values. For example, conservatives prioritize respect for tradition, punitive morality, and deference to authority whereas liberals tend to prioritize compassion for others, nurturing values, respect for cultural differences, and individuality.

Anyone want to comment?



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08 Sep 2008, 8:34 pm

"Who cares"


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08 Sep 2008, 8:35 pm

chever wrote:
"Who cares"

Obviously I do.



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08 Sep 2008, 8:36 pm

Conservatives and liberals appear to have equal lack of compassion when taken as a whole

Liberals very frequently have no tolerance for people who are different (i.e., a danger to the social contract) and anyone who doesn't fully subscribe to their self-righteous horses**t

Conservatives are often dillholes, period


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08 Sep 2008, 9:57 pm

Compassion is a weakness I don't smile upon.


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08 Sep 2008, 10:42 pm

Well, honestly, I think that the conservative notion about these things isn't just a lack of compassion(although we can argue that this correlates with their attitudes), but also a notion of what government is and isn't. They don't see government as a provider of social services, but rather a force to fight evil. Conservative social causes and certain foreign governments are evil. Poverty is seen as bad, but it isn't seen the same way as active evil, such as murder. The whole self-righteousness element exists in all human beings though.

As well, this "sanctity of life" refers to innocent human beings, not to guilty beings or non-humans, and not only that, but I doubt most conservatives don't go to war relishing a chance to kill people. I mean, such an idea approaches that of a strawman.

You are right, conservative values are certainly different than those of liberals, however, I do not think that the divide is typically as stark as most people like to think it is.



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08 Sep 2008, 10:53 pm

By your logic, shouldn't all Aspies be conservative since we lack compassion?


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08 Sep 2008, 11:14 pm

Orwell wrote:
By your logic, shouldn't all Aspies be conservative since we lack compassion?

We don't.



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08 Sep 2008, 11:15 pm

From an outsider's point of view both your liberals and conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites with no compassion whatsoever only caring for themselves and their own agenda and wishing the other side drops dead. Not to mention INCREDIBLY hypocritical.


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08 Sep 2008, 11:18 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Orwell wrote:
By your logic, shouldn't all Aspies be conservative since we lack compassion?

We don't.

I second that



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08 Sep 2008, 11:20 pm

chever wrote:
Conservatives and liberals appear to have equal lack of compassion when taken as a whole

Liberals very frequently have no tolerance for people who are different (i.e., a danger to the social contract) and anyone who doesn't fully subscribe to their self-righteous horses**t

There are of course environmentalist extremists and others on the fringe left who are intolerant, and of course most liberals have a few sacred cows that upset them if questioned, but on the whole, liberal are more tolerant of people who are different (e.g., black people, women, gay people, Muslims, people with disabilities) than are conservatives, whose tolerance doesn't usually go much past people who think and look exactly like themselves.



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08 Sep 2008, 11:21 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Well, honestly, I think that the conservative notion about these things isn't just a lack of compassion(although we can argue that this correlates with their attitudes), but also a notion of what government is and isn't. They don't see government as a provider of social services, but rather a force to fight evil. Conservative social causes and certain foreign governments are evil. Poverty is seen as bad, but it isn't seen the same way as active evil, such as murder. The whole self-righteousness element exists in all human beings though.

As well, this "sanctity of life" refers to innocent human beings, not to guilty beings or non-humans, and not only that, but I doubt most conservatives don't go to war relishing a chance to kill people. I mean, such an idea approaches that of a strawman.

You are right, conservative values are certainly different than those of liberals, however, I do not think that the divide is typically as stark as most people like to think it is.

My argument is that conservatives' view of what a government ought or ought not do derives from their lack of compassion.



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08 Sep 2008, 11:36 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
There are of course environmentalist extremists and others on the fringe left who are intolerant, and of course most liberals have a few sacred cows that upset them if questioned, but on the whole, liberal are more tolerant of people who are different (e.g., black people, women, gay people, Muslims, people with disabilities) than are conservatives, whose tolerance doesn't usually go much past people who think and look exactly like themselves.

I wasn't aware that conservatives exactly hated blacks, women, and people with disabilities. I mean, there have been major black conservatives, major female conservatives, and well, there aren't many people with disabilities on any side of the spectrum. Not only that, but really, from what I've heard, both sides are equally tolerant of the other, so I don't think that either side is really a lot less tolerant, just have different world views on certain matters.



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08 Sep 2008, 11:39 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
My argument is that conservatives' view of what a government ought or ought not do derives from their lack of compassion.

Right, and I think that the different notion of government is exogenous. It exists in and of itself. I mean, the notion of government really does not have to relate to one's personal compassion much, however, it does seem likely to relate strongly to a number of other values. So, I really think that the reason you are even putting forward this argument is simply to psychoanalyze a group of people you obviously dislike, and then dismiss them. And to be honest, I think doing anything like that is an intellectually dishonest load of crap, that only spineless individuals debase themselves to do. You know, liberals. :P



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09 Sep 2008, 1:24 am

Most of the hard-core conservatives have this Ubermensch mentality. To them liberals are weak sissies. They also tend to be shallow people with little in the way introspection. To look inwards or self-critisize is a weakness. Direct action and moral instinct is valued more than thoughtfulness and empathy.

They’re also overly obsessed with the military struggle. According to conservatives freedom only exists because we engage in armed struggle to keep “evil” at bay. The philosophical underpinnings of liberty are of lesser importance to conservatives than is physical action.

I admit this is somewhat of a caricature but that kind of vibe definitely exists in conservative America these days.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:03 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Orwell wrote:
By your logic, shouldn't all Aspies be conservative since we lack compassion?

We don't.


We tend to be impaired when it comes to reading subtle emotions and displaying empathy in a conversation, especially when people say things they don't really mean. We don't lack compassion when we see a person beaten or run over by a car, or a picture of a child starving to death. We are not sociopaths - in general, aspies have a measure of compassion.