Okay, so I thought that by starting an official discussion here instead of out there, I would begin by posting a discussion I had.. I just had a conversation with someone about it and I think I'll post the convo here.. this thread will be for civilized opinions, without ridicule or heated debates.. all opinions are welcome, but do not trash someone for theirs, nor shall you trash and ridicule their opinions. Here's the convo I had and it explains a little bit where I'm coming from, and not much else.. there will be no proof of facts here, only perspective, opinion, and belief. enjoy the convo.. excuse the personal anicdotes to.. Mary
Mary:
theories your words have triggered...
such as, wondering what role to play
and how well should you play it...
the only role i can see the human race playing is destroying the earth...
when intentionally we were put here to graze lands with free will and an open mind, to be at peace with what we were given...
not to kill everything natural...
there is no religion
or shouldn't be...
other than to believe an entity lives within
ourselves, and throughout the earth...
i literally believe we're all brainwashed
that is one theory
Shawn:
Ah, well if you read some of the anicdotes throughout my profile you'll notice that I agree with the notion of being brainwashed.. The Illuminati is the unbalance to the balance of the ever changing world.. If we were purely good or purely evil it wouldn't be a civilized existence, therefor we are neither good nor evil. I'm not saying the Illuminati creates a balance though.. the same way a man may suffer from a mental chemical imbalance is what the Illuminati are the the world.. they are an evil society and are pulling strings everywhere, and yes, most people are brainwashed. . most of my ponderings are ways to see past it all and attempt to not succomb to their will..
although at this point the only way to do that is to literally not survive in society, because it is built around their manipulation.. it has been that way for all the 1900's, and is only getting worse, but there will be a breaking point either in our lifetime or the next generation's lifetime.. evil cannot survive as a pure force, because it is only one side of a coin that requires a balance.. usually war is the breaking point, but with the Illuminati, they are so precise that they operate both sides of the coin.. they are that good at what they do.
But I don't believe in trying to strive to be good because either extreme sets an unbalance.. the only true balance is wisdom and meditation.. being one and being aware with your surroundings.. setting yourself apart from the distractions
Mary:
see i've been trying to find a solution to this problem...
and like you have said...
there isn't any...
other than it coming to it's breaking point
but i find it so frustrating when everywhere i seem to look is oblivion
walking through life basically as puppets...
so what is a person to do when on edge
see mediation is a lovely alternative, but i can not get to that state
do i give in and follow the game, or do i try to open eyes?
afraid and on the brink of crazy
Shawn:
Well, if you give in to them in the name of fear or suffering, then you will lose in the end.. if you believe that you have a soul then I wouldn't recommend bowing down to them when they require you to do so in order to keep living..
some would say that this is the time of the rapture and I would agree.. im not a christian though.. prophecy has never been so present in the American government as it is now, and it's interesting to sit back and watch everything unfold the way it's predicted to..
already with the New World Order the number one agenda, and the microchips to be inside everyone who wants to buy food or get a job.. they are in the works.. and the concentration camps already built in many places throughout the world.. it's not an age to shake a stick at, but I won't be someone to take a chip in the arm or walk around with a Federal ID card either.. I will be the one being sent to the concentration camp, to save my soul, to make a point before I die.. I would rather die and believe I have a chance of living on forever then die here depressed and suppressed to a slave, and then die in hell anyways..
No, I will not be a slave of the beast.. Trying to be someone who makes a change by doing great things usually ends up a tool of evil.. Literally down to a science Jesus's teaching were so accurate. I mean if you think of a fallen angel, that is more dangerous then an ordinary man with an evil thought.. Drifting to one extreme or the other is false, and eventually will corrupt.. even when you look back in history, all the people like Hittler, they all thought that they were doing a good thing truly, but good turns to evil when it is objective.. people get hurt and die and that defeats the purpose.. there is no good that is real in humans.. the only thing that is genuine in people is silence, meditation, and wisdom. . question your surroundings but don't interfere with them.. put yourself apart from evil but don't attack it. Question the people who say they want to do great things because Any extreme corrupts..
In fact the Illuminati infiltrates all such things, like the Catholic church for a fact has been infiltrated.. almost every major charity around the world is Illuminati owned.. Of course, they don't call themselves that, because they have more compartments then the American Military.. they are a giant black hole that sucks in anything that it can profit from..
So truly to make a difference, you can only be something that they do not profit from.. which im afraid is too late for anyone. But that doesn't mean you cant be aware and start making good choices..
Ive stopped associating with major corporations best I can.. I dont shop at major retailers, or influential places, and i dont eat fastfood.. but then i listen to music and watch movies, so already they win.. you have to figure out what you're comfortable with sacraficing..
Mary:
i've never heard anyone explain it like that...
but then i don't believe in a rapture...
or maybe i do
i can't tell anymore...
everything contradicts another...
i hope it is about to end, i would like to watch what mattered so much, go to pieces...
i also believe that when we die, we don't go to heaven, or hell...
we are made of energy, and energy doesn't leave...
so how do you explain that?
Shawn:
Well you could be looking at it in the wrong way.. If energy doesn't leave then what happens to your life force when it gives way..?
and what is contradicting what, im wondering.. perhaps your life contradicts it?.. it doesn't sound like you will spare your soul for the after life so maybe you will see it go to peices.. Im not going to preach the bible since it is sheepishly translated wrong from hebrew which was against the will of God.. so we don't get to read the true bible. Not saying I put much stock in it though.. I think if you're aware enough to set yourself apart from the world then you can make the right choices, otherwise no..
It's impossible to live correctly in our culture, within the culture.. I live outside the bounds of it best I can.. but of course it's not enough.. so what is?
I think you're confused because you're trying to make sense of your life based around your beliefs, but unwilling to change yourself to be true to them.. if that's the case.. confusion takes place when there is a conflict of interest between what you want, and what you think is right.. it can be difficult to see past that hump.
But im not trying to judge you.. its hard to say what i think objectively and honestly so don't be offended if you think I did.
Mary:
no no
i wasn't offended
you've shed some light
i've got some major thinking to do, not that i already don't...
maybe because of this conversation i can get a step into the right direction...
or just a direction
Shawn:
Well then, that is great to hear..!
What you choose to sacrafice if you do is your own choice.. but the more it affects you I would say the more dedicated you will be..
I could never give up music for anyone, but then you must remember that no one is perfect.. music itself is not evil, but the music industry is a slave to the Illuminati.. you know what i mean?. . Even my computer which is an Imac is a huge Illuminati product, all Apple products are, and they are becoming much more mainstream.. the first Imac was sold for $666.. and the apple logo with the bite taken out of it represents the deception of Lucifer.. you see, the main religion of the Illuminati is Luciferian.. A Luciferian ceremony sometimes involves sacraficing a child and stuff like that, and this stuff is done all the time.. they are protected by the FBI and CIA, because there are always figures pulling strings.. it sucks. People are being skinned alive, and that is sickening.. nobody hears about it, they've got control over the media and everything.. not all satanic groups are part of the Illuminati though, but yeah.. they are not just occults, they are also wealthy business men who own half the money in the world literally.. the food epidemic in africa could be solved a million times over if the money didn't all belong to the same 13 royal families..
But ive probably said more than enough about them.. the more you learn about the Illuminati the more insane and crazy it gets.. they are truly a prophetic force.. im sure on some level they know it, but they think that they are doing the right thing, they think that the whole world should be ruled by one intelligent force..
Illuminati is more of a family than anything.. it is very family orientated, and the 13 royal families have shown themselves in presidencies.. most of the American presidents are blood related, and they are even related to the British royal family, and they imbreed with their own blood to keep the wealth in the family..
Obama who's running for president is Bush's 9th causin.. I mean it never ends.. they all know what their purpose is.. the best at lieing is always the one to win.
One intriguing fact is not long after the Illuminati formed while they were creating their plans to take over the world in the 1700's sometime, an emmissary for them was carrying the plans for world domination on horseback over some plains and he got struck by lightning.. so the plans were discovered and brought to police and then they were banned from wherever it was this took place.. after that they decided to go underground and barely used the term Illuminati after that.. they started new occults such as the Freemasons.. and they began to divide between differences.. but always with the same goals as each other..
but I find it interesting that a thunderbolt changed the course of history.. if that's not the makings of myth then I dont know what is.. it makes you really question legends and myths and think what history is being hidden from us?.. Do the Illuminati know that God truly exists?.. my answere is they have a huge secret involving history.. but I dont know it exactly..
sorry that was long.. they are very interesting.. =/ but they do believe that God is an immoral God Im sure of that.. they believe that they are better than him, or that Lucifer is better than him I should say.
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