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04 Sep 2008, 2:23 pm

It seems to me that some people, notably polititians, think waving a bible and saying God makes them Christian, yet they don't actully follow the words of Christ. The hole easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then a rich man getting in heaven, Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, going out to those that society rejects and embracing them, and what you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. So technically they can't be Cristians, its like saying I call my self a brain surgeon is enough to be one, though I have had no medical training...now who wants me to fix that anerism?



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04 Sep 2008, 2:28 pm

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04 Sep 2008, 6:06 pm

Matt. 7:21-23 wrote:
Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast demons out in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?" Then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers."



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04 Sep 2008, 7:43 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Matt. 7:21-23 wrote:
Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast demons out in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?" Then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers."

What he said.

You know, Toadie, since you're an extremist moderate, maybe I should be a moderate extremist?


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04 Sep 2008, 10:10 pm

Orwell wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Matt. 7:21-23 wrote:
Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast demons out in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?" Then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers."

What he said.

You know, Toadie, since you're an extremist moderate, maybe I should be a moderate extremist?


Go for it...

Actually taking the middle road... seems like such a radical POV in this polarized day and age...



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04 Sep 2008, 10:12 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Actually taking the middle road... seems like such a radical POV in this polarized day and age...

Have you ever heard of the book "The Radical Center?" There's also a Centrist Party which could justifiably be called extremist moderates.


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04 Sep 2008, 10:20 pm

I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.

But then if they acted like one they wouldn't be waiving the fact that they are christian in front of everyone's faces so thats probably why. The real christians are content to set back and follow the bible while the false ones use the bible to attack and belittle others



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04 Sep 2008, 10:25 pm

finrod wrote:
I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.

But then if they acted like one they wouldn't be waiving the fact that they are christian in front of everyone's faces so thats probably why. The real christians are content to set back and follow the bible while the false ones use the bible to attack and belittle others


Precisely.

There's a whole comment in Matthew about "Don't make a show of your faith", etc (somewhere in the sermon on the mount, chapters 5-7)... I'm in the kitchen now but eventually I'll whip out the bible and quote it...



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04 Sep 2008, 10:28 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
finrod wrote:
I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.

But then if they acted like one they wouldn't be waiving the fact that they are christian in front of everyone's faces so thats probably why. The real christians are content to set back and follow the bible while the false ones use the bible to attack and belittle others


Precisely.

There's a whole comment in Matthew about "Don't make a show of your faith", etc (somewhere in the sermon on the mount, chapters 5-7)... I'm in the kitchen now but eventually I'll whip out the bible and quote it...

The whole "don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" and all that.


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05 Sep 2008, 5:28 am

When someone tells me that they are a christian I reach for their hand, shake it, and say "congratulations I've never met a real one it must be so hard to maintain your behaviour". This generally leads to a conversation in which they always prove that they are not christian. Being a christian means that to the best of your ability you follow the teachings of christ, which is no small feat.

I do not have a problem with those that strive to be christian, in fact I admire their attempt ( I am suspicious that Orwell and Toad might just be the real deal :!: :!: :!:). Conversely I intensely dislike those that mouth off about being christian when in fact they would be first in line to crucify him.


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05 Sep 2008, 1:28 pm

Eggman wrote:
It seems to me that some people, notably polititians, think waving a bible and saying God makes them Christian, yet they don't actully follow the words of Christ. The hole easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then a rich man getting in heaven, Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, going out to those that society rejects and embracing them, and what you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. So technically they can't be Cristians, its like saying I call my self a brain surgeon is enough to be one, though I have had no medical training...now who wants me to fix that anerism?


I would agree that to some extent politicians claim to be Christian to get more approval.
BTW, Jesus said:

Luke 6:43-46 ASV
[43] For there is no good tree that bringeth forth corrupt fruit; nor again a corrupt tree that bringeth forth good fruit.
[44] For each tree is known by its own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
[45] The good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth that which is evil: for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?



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05 Sep 2008, 5:48 pm

finrod wrote:
I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.



You don't get around much, do you? I will agree that many 'Christians' don't act the part (depending on how you define it) but some actually do.



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05 Sep 2008, 9:26 pm

monty wrote:
finrod wrote:
I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.



You don't get around much, do you? I will agree that many 'Christians' don't act the part (depending on how you define it) but some actually do.


True (actually most christians actually follow the Christian faith and the teachings set forth by Jesus), but as mentioned in previous posts, they don't go around proclaiming their Christianity, so you don't see them unless you look for them...



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05 Sep 2008, 11:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
Judge not, lest you be judged in kind.

Oh the irony!



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05 Sep 2008, 11:30 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
monty wrote:
finrod wrote:
I've yet to see anyone who claims to be christian actually acting like one.



You don't get around much, do you? I will agree that many 'Christians' don't act the part (depending on how you define it) but some actually do.


True (actually most christians actually follow the Christian faith and the teachings set forth by Jesus), but as mentioned in previous posts, they don't go around proclaiming their Christianity, so you don't see them unless you look for them...


This makes Matthew 28:18-20
Not part of the Bible then?
Non canonical?
Something to pick and choose?
"Jesus didn't actually say..."
"He didn't really mean..."
"It can be translated..."
"Interpretations..."
Et cetera ad naseum.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:27 am

As for the Great Commission, I tend to just live the life that Jesus taught, and if the grace of God is upon that aspect of my life, others will be inspired by it. By yelling to people that they're going to go to hell unless they believe in God or forcing Christianity on them, you don't make real converts, only people who claim to practice the faith out of fear of repression, which works against the intent of the Great Commission