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10 Oct 2008, 9:20 pm

Perhaps you've read the latest article on the front page and its associated comments:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/article377.html

The comments seem innocuous enough at first, but beneath you can see the scathing remarks against PETA. Around the world, thousands of innocent animal-huggers are being verbally and textually tortured every day. Some of these tortured animal-huggers are even starting to kill themselves because of this. PETA members may not be as sentient as we are, and may be more prone to biological instinct than we are, but that doesn't mean they don't have feelings! It's time to put a stop to this. I am putting together a group called People for the Ethical Treatment of PETA. If, each day, everyone decides to not treat animal-huggers with cruelty, that's one animal-hugger saved, free to live out their intrinsically inferior existences in peace. Together, we as the omnivorous species we are can become more enlightened, and can change the world.

Man, I should write editorials for The Onion (if you didn't catch on, that whole bit was satire...)



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10 Oct 2008, 9:29 pm

Cruelty in any form is not cool.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0L_UdWNMw[/youtube]


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11 Oct 2008, 1:01 am

The whole business of raising animals for consumption as food and other uses is business oriented (which it must be if it is a profitable business). Cruelty is not its intent. It simply does not care and all those who consume meat and animal products find the products more desirable than decent behavior to animals. I do not expect things to change no matter my sympathies towards animals as people in general for thousands of years simply use animals as profitable objects. It's just a matter of looking clearly at the way people think whether you find this acceptable or not. Philosophically even very intelligent people justify their behavior by assuming that animals have no feeling, are not intelligent, or even conscious. I have had close contact with many animals of different species over my lifetime and have confirmed that animals are very conscious and have feelings not unlike humans but I do not expect humanity to acknowledge this as it runs counter to their purposes.



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11 Oct 2008, 10:13 am

The existence of animal cruelty indicates just how poorly the human race has failed at being stewards of the earth.



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11 Oct 2008, 10:32 am

Humans have attained stewardship through brute strength and callousness. The religious fantasy of being assigned stewardship by some imaginary superbeing is, if course comforting to human egos, but if a few thousand Tyrannosaurus Rexs were to invade any small community the stewardship would certainly be reasonably questioned. Even lions or elephants or tsetse flies can be a problem. I wonder what a world might look like dominated by tsetse flies or fire ants. Nature doesn't give a damn.



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11 Oct 2008, 10:36 am

Stewardship is betowed; it is not attained through brute strength and callousness. You're confusing stewardship with dominance. That's a mistake.



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11 Oct 2008, 10:52 am

According to my dictionary,a steward is someone in charge, no matter how that came about.



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11 Oct 2008, 12:09 pm

Sand wrote:
According to my dictionary,a steward is someone in charge, no matter how that came about.


A steward is a person under the authority of another party. A boss.



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11 Oct 2008, 12:25 pm

I'm wondering how many people in this thread realized it was satire (even though I delibrately said so at the end of my post)?

Don't get me wrong, I'm no big fan of animal cruelty, but that's not going to stop me from eating meat. If we as a species can't even stop cruelty to other humans (if we did there would be no need for a Geneva Convention), I don't think we're going to stop cruelty to other animals in general anytime soon...

And, let's be honest, PETA shares alot of traits with Autism Speaks... misguided usage of exaggerations and misinformation to get what they want, because obviously nobody has a contrary viewpoint than they do, and if someone does, that person/organization is to be shot down fast...



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11 Oct 2008, 12:27 pm

On that basis, of course, as long as you're not found out, you might as well start eating people.



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11 Oct 2008, 12:52 pm

Sand wrote:
On that basis, of course, as long as you're not found out, you might as well start eating people.


Cannibalism FTW!

(note: that too was satire...)



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11 Oct 2008, 1:15 pm

I think it's the self righteous attitude that repels people. Most people don't realize what goes on behind the scenes and how animals suffer for money. PETA uses the media to educate people on how our choices affect animals. Unfortunately, most people aren't willing to listen unless they see a naked chick or crazy scene. We are so conditioned to be apathetic. Unless it's a scene that causes an emotional response, people will ignore it.

PETA isn't the only organization to use this media tactic. All commercials, politicians, and religionists try to appeal to our emotions.
Still, I appreciate how much PETA has done to inspire people to educate themselves and to reduce animal suffering.

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11 Oct 2008, 1:29 pm

What does nudism and exhibitionism have to with not wearing fur?

Dennis Rodman nude? No thanks. :roll:



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11 Oct 2008, 3:01 pm

What do the gays have to do with the next election, or what does a cozy fireplace have to do with selling tea, or what does the scapular have to do with Christianity...

PETA knows full well that their provocative tactics create a response, it's a big inside joke. They go way out there and they deliberately act like morons.


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11 Oct 2008, 8:33 pm

Magnus wrote:
PETA uses the media to educate people on how our choices affect animals.

Too bad that PETA kills animals.


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11 Oct 2008, 9:01 pm

Euthanizing injured animals is not the same as wantonly killing them for personal enjoyment.

Your local veterenarian kils animals, as well. Just not violently or wantonly.