Chavez Oil Handouts!! !!

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As you may know, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is giving away oil very cheaply to poor Americans in certain districts. This has been made possible because the Venezuelian government owns all the Citco oil stations in the US. Chavez is a socialist who's aim is to undercut the monopoly that US corporations have on oil.

My question is directed at right-wing republicans.

Would you, if offered, accept Chavez's oil, or would you continue to buy US corporate oil at extortionate prices out of principle?

I'd buy it and use the money saved to lobby Bush to have that wannabe petty communist dictator Chavez taken out.

ok, i'll put it straight. I am from Venezuela, I'm suffering all the mayhem that banana dictator has caused to this country, not you guys. My father was fired from PDVSA (citgo's parent) just for making his point of view worth, he didn't want PDVSA to be chavez's piggybank (what it is now) and also we don't want our oil to be used as a political weapon to buy the minds of the american people. don't you guys know that most of the money you pay for that oil is used to lobby against your very own way of life and to finance communist regimes in this continent. Every buck you pay for that oil goes to be invested in the so-called "missions" that are not more than populist BS worth nothing. most of the venezuelan people will still be poor and won't have any chance to prosper until this bandit leaves office so i want you guys to think about the turmoil now happening here before you buy a gallon of that oil. think about the fading freedoms and the lack of democracy here, the double and aggressive speech chavez has against the USA and Mexico, his alliances with the axis of evil (remember the picture of him with saddam). Now my point is: DON'T FINANCE TOTALITARIAN REGIMES so BOYCOTT CITGO!! !!.

BTW robert: yes i'd by corporate US oil at extortionate prices as i've done it the last time i went to the USA (we didn't buy any gas for our rental cars from CITGO)

Well that's quite slimy of you.

For the record: I never did hear exactly why Pat Robertson wanted Hugo Chavez assassinated. It's only a matter of time before he realizes that selling drugs in North America is much more profitable than oil. That is, if he hasn't already. In which case, the situation in South America will be like in the 1980's all over again.

Well how come he has won nine general elections in a row and enjoys a 66% popularity rate, which is almost twice Bush's popularity rate. The poor are now better off - they have healthcare and education which wasn't available five years ago. The only reason why anyone could be pissed off with Chavez is because he is taking priviledge away from the rich, and rightly so.

Its an almost laughable situation that ordinary Republicans find themselves in. I am laughing my arse off right now at you lot!! !! . You see you lose on both fronts:

If you buy his oil, you are following your self-interest (in buying the lowest priced oil) but that self-interest is helping to bring down capitalism (the mother of self-interest), so in effect, you are defeating yourself.

If you refuse his oil and buy at a higher price from a corporation, you are breaking the rule of self-interest (by not following the free market and voluntarily buy the goods at a higher price). So in that sense, you are betraying your free-market principles, and therefore you are not a capitalist.

See the conundrum you find yourselves in. I can't stop laughing!! !!

I'm not a Republican, but what you're laughing at is a caricature of U.S. conservatives, nothing more. There are very, very few people who actually fit the stereotype you're ridiculing. This is what is known as a "straw man" fallacy.



Since the lower oil prices are not a product of the free market, no one is betraying "free market principles" by refusing to buy it. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with choosing whom to do business with based on ethical considerations. "Free market" doesn't imply that everybody must buy for the lowest price, always. In fact, the word "free" is the critical part: agents must be free to make their own economic decisions. This includes boycotting businesses they don't like.

Jeremy

there you go todd, that is one of my points you guys have free market and so you can choose your providers based on ethical considerations. That's what most americans should think when they try to make business with the enemy of their regional strategy for a free market (something better than the mercosur oxymoron happening now here).

ROFLMAO!! !! !! dude i don't know where you're from but i guess you don't know what's an e-voting scam and the consequences it brings. It's maybe all the commie propaganda you have in your mind that makes you believe this is the paradise where social equity exists.

The truth about healthcare is that venezuelan doctors are unemployed due to the cuban imperalism import doctors and teachers we have all over the place, working as part of the so called populist POS called "mission barrio adentro" that makes us lose more and more money every day because most of these doctors have defected to the USA whthout even taking care of their own families that were sent to labor camps (aka cuban gulag) because the guys defected.

Are we talking crude oil? What am I going to do with that?

no, it's heating oil and gasoline DON'T BUY THAT FROM THEM!! !!

Anyone who wasn't desperate to believe that would be suspicious that he always wins by such a large margin and on so many occasions. Kim Jung Il, Kim Il Sung, Saddam Hussein, and a bunch of other dictators election results look like that. I strongly doubt any of his election results were ever objectively accounted, assuming he didnt have ficticious statistics to tell the public ready ahead of time. And another thing, RobertN, your socialist paradise is a place of violence, political unrest, and corruption.

Perhaps thats because the people actually like him.

The only people that lose out are the US corporations and rich Venezuelians. There are actually whole armies of citizens in Venezuela that are stationed around the country (all voluntary and unpaid!!) in case of a US invasion. Citizens take it in turns to guard the presidential residence in case of a foreign aided coup!! The atmosphere is very good.

In Bush's case, he has to be guarded from the public, because so many hate him.

You Republicans are so stupid. You are willing to exploit yourself (by buying oil you can't really afford!!) to help a regime that is exploiting you (by taking away your rights and benefits)! !!

Damn, I was hoping for massage oil.

thanks sean!! !! you know the whole truth, something this commie guy doesn't. This is one of the most corrupt countries in the continent.

The people guarding Chavez's compound are probably a fairly small minority and I find it hard to believe that too many people would risk having a cruise missile fall on them without some type of compensation. I will stop short of calling them undercover guards because I have as much proof of this as you have proof that they are people that really love Chavez.

As for the militias, fine. There's no reason for a full scale invasion and I would protest such a campaign if one were to take place. I wouldn't support anything more than a subamarine with a few carefully timed cruise missiles (w/ conventional warheads) and/or some clandestine operations to take out the most senior government officials to make way for an international (UN or NATO) peacekeeping force to rebuild the justice system, establish new law enforcment agencies with new personel, and facilitate real elections. If such a regime change can take place without international peacekeepers, than fine, but regime change needs to take place there.