Bloc Quebecois should be excluded from Canadian Coalition

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There is another poll concerning the political crisis here in Canada, but I'm curious how many people here, Canadian or not, believe that the Bloc Quebecois should be included in a Coalition government. They are, at their core, a separatist party, and they are fiscally, ideologically and morally simply an irresponsible and bigoted party of nationalists. I believe they would undermine Liberal and NDP efforts simply to mess up the country and make a separate Quebec look better to those on the fence here.

if your platform is to separate from the government...why should you be included in key government affairs?

it's just the racist frenchies who want to separate, anyways.

boudreaux and thibodeaux need to change with the times.

I don't think it's just the racist or xenophobic French people of Quebec, considering how close the last referendum was- 50.6% vs 49.4% to separate. Its a nationalistic thing that has been fed to a generation of Quebecois who are mislead and misinformed; a separate Quebec would be terrible for the Quebecois more then it would the rest of Canada.

From my vantage point here south of the border it seems like trying to exclude anyone from having a say in the workings of the government much less a population that comprises that large a fraction of the people would be the actions of a dictatorship.

They might be stupid or hateful or simply have unpopular opinions but they have as much a right to their opinions as you have to yours.

That's the sad truth we've had to endure for 8 years down here in the US. Stupid people voting could (and probably will) destroy us but we can't tell them they're not allowed without becoming what we fear.

You wouldn't be happy if the Republican party decided they wished to make a coalition with, lets say for example, a resurgent Southern independence movement (I'm certain there is a Confederate Party in the states, though maybe not by that name). The purpose of this coalition is to fix the country, not tear it apart or undermine the efforts of those who wish to repair it.

I can- I'm a monarchist.

Anyways, the Quebec Separatists- if they don't want to be part of Canada, why not let them try their hand at being an independent country? Gets rid of a thorn in your side, and you get to say "told you so" when they fail miserably and have to come crawling back begging to be part of Canada again. As far as being excluded from the next government, well, people did vote for them in legitimate elections. It's pretty dirty to change the rules partway through.

I'm not suggesting they be banned or anything. But the Bloc has no good intentions for Canada. I highly recommend you read in to what they've done to Quebec and you'll understand. A lot of high tech industry was driven away from here, as well as all the major banks that were once based in Montreal. In addition, there is a serious shortage of doctors in Quebec mostly due to the fact that professionals hate the Bloc. They are also responsible for repressive and racist policies. There is no question in my mind that they would cause bigger problems to the country then the current government which the coalition is attempting to get rid of. Also, you are unaware of this but though Quebec wishes to separate they still wish to benefit from the rest of Canada with Federal funding. This political party is like a teenager who wants to move into his own apartment but have his parents pay the rent and for everything else he gets.

So give them some tough love. Let them have their independence, and then they can see what responsibilities come with that.

I would agree with you if I wasn't a resident of Quebec for my entire life and aware of the situation here. Quebec would end up becoming a third-world nation, unless they basically sold themselves to American interests, which is what they'd do. In which case, the Quebecois culture they're fighting so hard to protect would be crushed, because America is not as forgiving as Canada.

Off-topic, but you're probably one of the first monarchists I've encountered. What are your thoughts on monarchy?

Canada is not like the United States; theirs is a parliamentary system. Currently the Conservatives hold a minority government: That is, they do not have an absolute majority of seats in the House of Commons. Unlike in the U.S., though, where the only substantial opposition would be one other party, in Canada the opposition is divided into Liberals, New Democrats, and the Bloc québécois. Since Canada follows a British-derived parliamentary system, the prime minister and such are appointed by a representative of the Queen, and this government can be dismissed at any time with new elections called. A vote of no confidence can be made at any time, and so the composition of the government can change without new elections just because of shifting coalitions. The MPs are elected by their ridings, but the government is elected by the Parliament.

I'm a U.S. citizen, not a Canadian, so the details may be off, but that's the gist of it.

Anyway the separatists are roughly half of the people of Quebec; many want to just remain Canadian. Also, the "Nar! Nar! We told you so! We told you so!" attitude really doesn't work for grown-up politics (although I can easily imagine Bush saying this in private to a Cabinet member). Self-determination isn't about playground platitudes; it's about deeply held values, economics, culture, immigration, and tolerance.

So we'd get some real estate, some obnoxious psuedo-Frenchmen, and some wood out of the deal? Hmm, maybe if we sold the Quebecois into slavery (I think Walmart would go for it...) and repopulated the region with hard working Mexicans, it just might work. Or, like I've proposed in the past, we could sell the whole region the the Chinese, they could use both the space and the timber, I'm sure their cosmetics industry could even find a use for the Quebecois...

Quebec's deeply held values: Alcoholism, speeding, not using turn signals
Quebec's economics: In sharp decline in most areas. 'Ghost towns' are now becoming quite common in the once lucrative mining/pulp and paper region in Nord du Quebec and Abiti.
Quebec's culture: Unique and deserving of preservation- all of it, including the Anglophone and Allophones, which the French are trying to get rid of
Quebec's immigration: They'll let anybody in so long as they speak French. Not a good policy because they all just leave Quebec due to the bigotry or lack of opportunity in job and education, and move to Toronto...
Quebec's tolerance: What tolerance?

Sounds to me like a province not ready for indepedence

You understand our system better then some Canadians NeantHumain



Vigilans you sound like the typical Anglophone from Quebec, why don't you move to Alberta and I will move to Quebec, I may not speak a word of French, but I don't have such hate for Quebecers who only want to preserve their culture.

it always seems to go beyond preservation, though...new orleans preserved its culture well without maintaining spanish and french languages as official languages that are forced by law.

separatists aren't interested in preserving culture. they're interested in consolidating their own power and ruling separately. they'll drive the wedge nice and deep to accomplish their ends but that's not about culture.

to them i say foutez le camp.

True, but the languages could be given minority status. This would mean that English is mandatory and (at least New Orleans) French and Spanish is too. This would be helpful in Education. But it would have to be kept to areas that always had significent amount a Minority langauge. Don't forget, forcing your culture onto another ethnic group to get rid of them doesn't work well. Right now the entirety of Caucasusian Russia is in either quasi or full blown Civil War, or China v. Tibet issue that flamed up earlier this year.

However, Quebec should not have the ability to control immigration, get rid of English in the Province, and act like prats in a general manner. There is always a middle ground to be had. Right now, it seems Quebec needs to be brought in a little.