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16 Dec 2008, 1:33 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
Well, you see, there are also around two hundred scientific, historical, and accurate predictions as well...

Peace.


/facepalm

And it only took a few thousand years for those specific events to occur in a close enough form for people to point and say "See? Verified prediction.".

Let me know when they start giving actual dates for those predictions.


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16 Dec 2008, 1:51 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
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Code 19.

http://submission.org/miracle/

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why do people go god?


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Which is why I prefer Linux. Similarily, I follow the Qur'an alone, instead of the barbarism of Sunnism/Shi'ism. Reminds me of a Robert Frost's poem "The road not taken" - I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference

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playing number games and calling it god is on the same level as misquoting politicians and calling it prisonplanet.com



Well, you see, there are also around two hundred scientific, historical, and accurate predictions as well...

Peace.


no one can predict the future.

vague correlations between vague predictions and specific events is not impressive nor is it a real display of any kind of prediction of the future.


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16 Dec 2008, 2:03 pm

sure I can lol



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20 Dec 2008, 5:28 am

@ cloning Hitler: He would not necessarily even have quite the same facial structure. There is external influence even during prenatal stages.

Also, I doubt that he would spontaneously grow a Nazi-army and a vast base of operations with natural resources, tax-payers and defended borders the way he would grow toenails.


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22 Dec 2008, 5:06 pm

If Hitler 2.0 inherited the artistic aptitudes of his predecessor but had become a successful artist where his predecessor failed ... maybe Hitler 2.0 would have been entirely content being an artist and not a quasi-messianical leader of men. If the 2nd generation Hitler had attained self-actualization, ie. the apex of Maslow's pyramid, in some wholly benign and innocuous fashion ...

Nature vs. Nurture ....

I love these intellectual exercises. :D :nerdy:



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22 Dec 2008, 8:20 pm

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I believe in god- but it's none of your business why. I'd prefer to not post it on the internet. In this case though, it over-rides science and I'm a very scientific person. :oops:


I know exactly what you mean. I am also very appreciate of science but I have also have much reverence for God. All the good things I have in my life today are what God chose to give me. This has vdery strong meaning in a world where children are born in suffering, live in suffering, and die in suffering. In this world there are little pockets of heaven but there are also big swatches of hell.


Indeed.


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29 Dec 2008, 11:34 pm

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I don't believe in god because lack of belief would have an unmistakeably positive effect on the world.............

Even Nietzsche admitted that atheism introduces a moral crisis into society.


This is nothing more than argument from authority (ironic comming from someone named orwell). Sweden and Japan, who have the highest degrees of organic atheism, also have the lowest crime rates.

Nietzche doesn't jive with reality.



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30 Dec 2008, 2:00 am

Nietzche didn't carry out his visions. If he did he'd be a prophet. Have you read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra? He stopped at a stage where he didn't follow through. That is his appeal to today's generation of slackers. Plus, he had brain damage from a sexually transmitted disease.



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30 Dec 2008, 4:51 am

Magnus wrote:
Nietzche didn't carry out his visions. If he did he'd be a prophet. Have you read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra? He stopped at a stage where he didn't follow through. That is his appeal to today's generation of slackers. Plus, he had brain damage from a sexually transmitted disease.


Syphilis? Did Nietzche have syphilis? :o



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30 Dec 2008, 8:27 am

Which deity? Hint: more than one religion out here.

Ilmarinen?
Bride?
Wodan?
Cybele?
Pallas-Athene?


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30 Dec 2008, 8:56 am

It fulfills two basic human needs: the need to believe and the need to belong. Everybody needs to believe in & belong to something greater than themselves.

And if that answer doesn't satisfy you, none will.



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03 Jan 2009, 4:30 am

slowmutant wrote:
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Nietzche didn't carry out his visions. If he did he'd be a prophet. Have you read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra? He stopped at a stage where he didn't follow through. That is his appeal to today's generation of slackers. Plus, he had brain damage from a sexually transmitted disease.


Syphilis? Did Nietzche have syphilis? :o


Yup. Spent his last years locked up, too. His mind finally broke when he saw a horse being whipped.


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03 Jan 2009, 7:18 am

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How is it that this planet is neatly placed the exact distance from the sun to maintain life without being too hot or cold for life?


There are 7 other planets which are not the right distance from the Sun in our Solar System. In the Milky Way and other galaxies in the universe, there are millions if not billions of planets which are also the wrong distance from the star which they are orbiting. When you have so many of these planets, chances are that at least one of them will have the conditions required to support life. Since the Earth has the right conditions to support life, life was able to thrive on this planet.

We are carbon based life forms. There may be other life forms, e.g. silicon based, which are able to withstand temperatures and conditions which we would consider extreme. And those silicon based life forms, if they exist, will probably think that the temperature on Earth is either too hot or too cold for them.

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Natural selection


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18 Jan 2009, 11:54 pm

AspieAtheistAlly wrote:
Orwell wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
I don't believe in god because lack of belief would have an unmistakeably positive effect on the world.............

Even Nietzsche admitted that atheism introduces a moral crisis into society.


This is nothing more than argument from authority (ironic comming from someone named orwell). Sweden and Japan, who have the highest degrees of organic atheism, also have the lowest crime rates.

Nietzche doesn't jive with reality.


Japan is not atheist. They adhere very strongly to ancestral worship


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19 Jan 2009, 12:07 am

AspieAtheistAlly wrote:
Orwell wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
I don't believe in god because lack of belief would have an unmistakeably positive effect on the world.............

Even Nietzsche admitted that atheism introduces a moral crisis into society.


This is nothing more than argument from authority (ironic comming from someone named orwell). Sweden and Japan, who have the highest degrees of organic atheism, also have the lowest crime rates.

Nietzche doesn't jive with reality.

OK then AspieAtheistAlly, if morality is not derived from the Word of God (ie Divine Command Theory) where does it come from? Most other moral theories collapse in on themselves and leave you with moral nihilism. For most individuals, and for society as a whole, that is a problem. Demonstrate to me, outside of a theistic framework, where morality comes from.

And the "but you're named Orwell! you should hold XYZ beliefs!" card gets really, really old. I'm not a socialist, I'm not an atheist, and I'm not a paranoid conspiracy freak. I admire Orwell's literary works and was in a cynical mood a year and a half ago when I registered on this forum. I don't have to be a carbon-copy of Eric Arthur Blair, and I don't try to be.


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