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13 Dec 2008, 10:43 am

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13 Dec 2008, 10:58 am

There is either a god or we are all pointless and our pathetic existence can never be justified.. Either take the happy choice or the depressing alternative. I won't even get started on the article

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13 Dec 2008, 11:59 am

This s**t happens too f*****g often. Anyone remember Madeline Kara Neumann? I'm going to start a f*****g list of these incidences just to show people how prolific this kind of thing is. Most people turn a blind eye to this sort of thing and think it's extremely rare or just crazy fringe people.

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13 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

Irada wrote:

There is either a god or we are all pointless and our pathetic existence can never be justified.. Either take the happy choice or the depressing alternative. I won't even get started on the article

An appeal to fear (argumentum in terrorem), and nothing more. Logical fallacies ftl.

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13 Dec 2008, 12:19 pm

cliche wrote:

Irada wrote:

An appeal to fear (argumentum in terrorem), and nothing more. Logical fallacies ftl.

Think about it though. If there is no god, then what? Why do we live? Whatever happiness we can/do achieve in our life time is pointless when we die. Sure, your life might make future generations happier but to what extent? There is no point. Whatever actions we take are not justifiable by any means or ends. There is no goal, no motive, nothing. We are nothing. Meaningless creatures in a meaningless universe. Our pathetic existence can never be justified. Without the belief in the concept of a higher/superior being we have no hope to fuel our pointless lives. Hence, why there is either a god or reread what I wrote above.

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13 Dec 2008, 12:32 pm

Irada wrote:

Without the belief in the concept of a higher/superior being we have no hope to fuel our pointless lives. Hence, why there is either a god or reread what I wrote above.

Keep looking. There are reasons to continue living and even be a moral person without a God you just have to think for yourself for a change.

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13 Dec 2008, 12:35 pm

I'm not saying there's no god. I'm just saying he doesn't "answer prayers" as it would seem.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:22 pm

886 wrote:

I'm not saying there's no god. I'm just saying he doesn't "answer prayers" as it would seem.

Why would he? Looks at ourselves. Look at society. Within a matter of seconds you can come up with dozens of flaws. We rage war, destroy things, we are ignorant of our own negative impact on this world. What makes us more special than the chickens we breed to slaughter? Why shouldn't god answer their prayers first? Look at all the rapists and serial killers in the world. If there is a god, we need to do a serious turn around before he would even think of answering our prayers. Do you think we are the only race in this wide universe? We need to destroy these social restraints we have created. Shed away the lies and the blindfold that has been placed over our eyes.

But face the facts, we are thousands of years off that. We will probably die off before that happens. Humanity has screwed itself over big time. I'm waiting for World War 3 or a climate change due to global warming.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:32 pm

Irada wrote:

There is either a god or we are all pointless and our pathetic existence can never be justified.

that's a stupid way to look at life. are you that empty that you cannot define your own point in life and find your own way?

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13 Dec 2008, 1:35 pm

Irada wrote:

cliche wrote:

Irada wrote:

An appeal to fear (argumentum in terrorem), and nothing more. Logical fallacies ftl.

Religious tolerance has gone TOO FarIts time to put a STOP to this nonsense once and for all. But to answer your questions Irada, you are creating a fictional entity as an explanation for things that you dont know and do not understand.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:38 pm

Irada wrote:

cliche wrote:

Irada wrote:

An appeal to fear (argumentum in terrorem), and nothing more. Logical fallacies ftl.

what do the other animals live for? why do you need some kind of meaning from some crappy book full of plotholes, anachronisms, and continuity errors? you attach your own meaning to life...be grateful you're alive, that should be enough.

and quit talking so down on your life. i'm sure you could find some point or pupose...or are you really that far removed without any kind of internal compass for either direction in life or morality?

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13 Dec 2008, 1:39 pm

I find it sad (and scary) that religion has become so prevalent people have lost the ability to find purpose without it.

Perhaps that's why esteem issues are so common now. It seems to me like having your purpose in life dictated to you by religion is rather hollow and impersonal but no one is teaching people how to find their own reasons for living.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:41 pm

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I find it sad (and scary) that religion has become so prevalent people have lost the ability to find purpose without it.

Maybe its time to place severe restrictions on religion, if not BANNING it all together.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:43 pm

Haliphron wrote:

Fraya wrote:

I find it sad (and scary) that religion has become so prevalent people have lost the ability to find purpose without it.

Maybe its time to place severe restrictions on religion, if not BANNING it all together.

the last few studies i've seen said something along the lines of that not everyone is born with a moral compass and religion fills a need there for those people...but so does the law and i have to wonder if maybe the act of having your life defined for you and having your morality defined for you is how people are losing their ability to develop these areas of their brains on their own*.

*think of it like the spoiled kid effect. the kid itself isn't bad but through bad parenting and parents not allowing their kids to do anything on their own, they have trouble doing such tasks. except instead of it being whatever with spoiled brats, it's people who have their morality and their direction in life spoonfed to them keeping them from having to think on their own critically about any issue. it's why you see people who are dogmatically moral but cannot actually discuss their morality beyond what they've been instructed to think on issues.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:48 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Haliphron wrote:

Fraya wrote:

I find it sad (and scary) that religion has become so prevalent people have lost the ability to find purpose without it.

Maybe its time to place severe restrictions on religion, if not BANNING it all together.

Interesting hypothesis.

Perhaps those who are not born with a moral compass are the sociopaths (who make up ~4% of the population). If it wasn't for religion perhaps more of them would be treatable since they wouldn't blend in so nicely.

[edit] They might actually ask why they should or shouldn't do things rather than having a ready made instruction manual to follow even though they don't understand it.

[edit2] Or perhaps sociopathy isn't really that common it's just that many people follow religion and are afraid to question it so never fully develop their own moral compass.

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13 Dec 2008, 1:51 pm

fraya, you may want to check again, i expounded a little further on the idea.

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