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21 Dec 2008, 1:36 pm

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- From a distance, it looks like an apparition: a huge multi-colored hot-air balloon floating in the Baghdad sky, bearing a large poster of Jesus Christ. Below it, an Iraqi flag.

Welcome to the first-ever public Christmas celebration in Baghdad, held Saturday and sponsored by the Iraqi Interior Ministry. Once thought to be infiltrated by death squads, the Ministry now is trying to root out sectarian violence -- as well as improve its P.R. image.

The event takes place in a public park in eastern Baghdad, ringed with security checkpoints. Interior Ministry forces deployed on surrounding rooftops peer down at the scene: a Christmas tree decorated with ornaments and tinsel; a red-costumed Santa Claus waving to the crowd, an Iraqi flag draped over his shoulders; a red-and-black-uniformed military band playing stirring martial music, not Christmas carols.

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On a large stage, children dressed in costumes representing Iraq's many ethnic and religious groups -- Kurds, Turkmen, Yazidis, Christians, Arab Muslims not defined as Sunni or Shiite -- hold their hands aloft and sing "We are building Iraq!" Two young boys, a mini-policeman and a mini-soldier sporting painted-on mustaches, march stiffly and salute.

Even before I can ask Interior Ministry spokesman Major-General Abdul Karim Khalaf a question, he greets me with a big smile. "All Iraqis are Christian today!" he says.

Khalaf says sectarian and ethnic violence killed thousands of Iraqis. "Now that we have crossed that hurdle and destroyed the incubators of terrorism," he says, "and the security situation is good, we have to go back and strengthen community ties."

In spite of his claim, the spokesman is surrounded by heavy security. Yet this celebration shows that the security situation in Baghdad is improving.

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Many of the people attending the Christmas celebration appear to be Muslims, with women wearing head scarves. Suad Mahmoud, holding her 16-month-old daughter, Sara, tells me she is indeed Muslim, but she's very happy to be here. "My mother's birthday also is this month, so we celebrate all occasions," she says, "especially in this lovely month of Christmas and New Year."

Father Saad Sirop Hanna, a Chaldean Christian priest, is here too. He was kidnapped by militants in 2006 and held for 28 days. He knows firsthand how difficult the lot of Christians in Iraq is but, he tells me, "We are just attesting that things are changing in Baghdad, slowly, but we hope that this change actually is real. We will wait for the future to tell us the truth about this."

He just returned from Rome. "I came back to Iraq because I believe that we can live here," he says. "I have so many [Muslim] friends and we are so happy they started to think about things from another point of view and we want to help them."

The Christmas celebration has tables loaded with cookies and cakes. Families fill plates and chat in the warm winter sun. Santa balloons hang from trees. An artist uses oil paint to create a portrait of Jesus.

In the middle of the park there's an art exhibit, the creation of 11- and 12-year-olds: six displays, each about three feet wide, constructed of cardboard and Styrofoam, filled with tiny dolls dressed like ordinary people, along with model soldiers and police. They look like model movie sets depicting everyday life in Baghdad.

Afnan, 12 years old, shows me her model called "Arresting the Terrorists."

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"These are the terrorists," she tells me. "They were trying to blow up the school." In the middle of the street a dead "terrorist" sprawls on the asphalt, his bloody arm torn from his body by an explosion. Afnan tells me she used red nail polish to paint the blood. A little plastic dog stands nearby. "What is he doing?" I ask. "He looks for terrorists and searches for weapons and explosives," Afnan says.

Her mother, the children's art teacher, Raja, shows me another child's display called "Baghdad Today."

"This is a wedding," Raja explains. "Despite the terrorism, our celebrations still go ahead. This is a park, families enjoying time. And this is a market where people go shopping without fear of bombings. This is a mosque where people can pray with no fear."

In the middle is a black mound that looks like a body bag. Policemen and Interior Ministry forces surround it. "This is terrorism," she tells me. "We killed it and destroyed it, and our lives went back to normal."

A Christmas tale perhaps, I think, but one that many Iraqis hope will come true.
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21 Dec 2008, 1:48 pm

Hallelujah! :wink:



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21 Dec 2008, 3:32 pm

It is very good to see how Iraq is improving. We now need to work on two things, in this exact order.

1)Repatriating everyone who left Iraq in the past several years, if they so choose. and
2)Leave.

This show to some extent that Christians and Muslims CAN get along. It just requires a little work, and not having demogagues appeal to our lesser instincts.



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21 Dec 2008, 5:41 pm

So, that huge war, thousands of dead bodies, people losing their homes, cities bombed and all so Iraqis could get enslaved by one of the most cruelest and depressing holidays in which everybody is FORCED to buy stuff at high prices and being happy is mandatory?

Viva la freedom!


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21 Dec 2008, 5:54 pm

Iraq under Saddam was not a Muslim state,it was a secular state like France or Germany.There was at least one Christian who had a cabinet post in the government.
Iraq had nothing to do with 911.
Iraq was invaded to rob it of its oil.
No I don`t like Saddam-I share the opinion of Osama bin laden who said that Saddam was a communist bastard.



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21 Dec 2008, 5:59 pm

Aw the old times, when Osama was a hired by CIA to clean Afghanistan from Communists and Saddam was meant to protect America from Iran.


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21 Dec 2008, 6:45 pm

cool. they even kept it real i see with jesus looking white, gotta represent the truth though!


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21 Dec 2008, 7:08 pm

agmoie wrote:
Iraq under Saddam was not a Muslim state,it was a secular state like France or Germany.There was at least one Christian who had a cabinet post in the government.
Iraq had nothing to do with 911.
Iraq was invaded to rob it of its oil.
No I don`t like Saddam-I share the opinion of Osama bin laden who said that Saddam was a communist bastard.


Saddam did do a good Mussolini impression though...



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21 Dec 2008, 7:31 pm

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Saddam did do a good Mussolini impression though...


I know he fashioned his appearance after Stalin a great deal and even had a huge admiration for him as a child, if he was big on Italian fascism as well I'd say he was quite the ideological multitasker.



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21 Dec 2008, 8:36 pm

Hurricane_Delta wrote:
It is very good to see how Iraq is improving. We now need to work on two things, in this exact order.

1)Repatriating everyone who left Iraq in the past several years, if they so choose. and
2)Leave.

This show to some extent that Christians and Muslims CAN get along. It just requires a little work, and not having demogagues appeal to our lesser instincts.


Christians and Muslims have lived side by side for 1400 years, getting along well most of the time.

Peace.



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21 Dec 2008, 8:49 pm

So all the churches & mosques in the mud-made villages I've been to in Egypt-- they really DON'T get along! They only get along now! When America says they do! Hooray!



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21 Dec 2008, 9:37 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Saddam did do a good Mussolini impression though...


I know he fashioned his appearance after Stalin a great deal and even had a huge admiration for him as a child, if he was big on Italian fascism as well I'd say he was quite the ideological multitasker.


Well I'll take your word for it if he idolized Stalin... to me he always reminds me of an arabic Mussolini in the way he worked...



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21 Dec 2008, 10:42 pm

atari2600a wrote:
So all the churches & mosques in the mud-made villages I've been to in Egypt-- they really DON'T get along! They only get along now! When America says they do! Hooray!


I've heard that there have been a fair amount of problems recently between the Copts and the Muslims. However, this seems to be a recent occurence, and can probably be attributed to Qutbism. This style of Islam is a lot like Wahhabism.



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22 Dec 2008, 2:00 am

i wonder if any of the muslim world might take this as more a confirmation of the whole "crusades" accusation that bin laden made and bush inadvertently confirmed (by poor word choice....not good to invade a muslim area and call it a crusade).


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22 Dec 2008, 2:08 am

skafather84 wrote:
i wonder if any of the muslim world might take this as more a confirmation of the whole "crusades" accusation...


That's exactly what I thought the first time I read this. :(



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22 Dec 2008, 2:19 am

Averick wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
i wonder if any of the muslim world might take this as more a confirmation of the whole "crusades" accusation...


That's exactly what I thought the first time I read this. :(



seems kinda.....not too bright but then again, i never thought of cnn as being especially intelligent....that's normally reserved for the guardian.


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