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skafather84
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15 Dec 2008, 6:51 pm

I'm wondering: Could there be anything that would disprove god that would be satisfactory to believers?

It seems that belief is more based off of behavioral patterns rather than actually making a choice for many...I'm curious if any would actually give up in the face of evidence.

I ask because it seems that many just believe to believe rather than actually taking an empirical look at the world. Many seem to simply wax poetic about the beauty of the world and its wonders and use that as their "proof" and that's nothing more than taste and bad poetic writing.

So would there be anything that could be done to disprove god? Or is it simply a stubborn behavioral pattern that has yet to be rooted out or properly redirected?


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15 Dec 2008, 7:18 pm

No.

While it may be possible to disprove a certain religion (or at least specific aspects of one) you could not deny the existence of God. In order to disprove his existence you would have understand 100% of how existence works (without unintentionally proving God actually exists somewhere along the way). We humans might be going in the right direction, but we've barely scratched the surface and how are we even supposed to know when there is nothing more to know?


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15 Dec 2008, 7:38 pm

The_Cucumber wrote:
No.

While it may be possible to disprove a certain religion (or at least specific aspects of one) you could not deny the existence of God. In order to disprove his existence you would have understand 100% of how existence works (without unintentionally proving God actually exists somewhere along the way). We humans might be going in the right direction, but we've barely scratched the surface and how are we even supposed to know when there is nothing more to know?



why would you have to understand 100% of everything? wouldn't you simply just have to disprove the instances of divine inspiration? i mean it's not like there's going to be 5000+ years of BS religions to all of a sudden actually have a deity.


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15 Dec 2008, 7:43 pm

It would have to be some pretty darn good proof to make me truly believe either way.



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15 Dec 2008, 8:17 pm

I think you would have to prove the spontaneous creation of the universe by actually causing one to create itself without any direct influence from an outside actor.

Of course the explosion would kill us all but hey at least that debate would be settled once and for all (and there would be no one left to argue or come up with some other excuse for believing in God).


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15 Dec 2008, 10:28 pm

skafather84 wrote:


why would you have to understand 100% of everything? wouldn't you simply just have to disprove the instances of divine inspiration? i mean it's not like there's going to be 5000+ years of BS religions to all of a sudden actually have a deity.


Region only asks why, and doesn't ask the how. If you disprove that God exists in one fashion, who's to say he does not exist in another fashion. The instances of divine inspiration is just one piece to the puzzle, disproving those does not disprove a deist-style God. And you can't disprove a deist-style God without looking beyond the confines of our Universe! Hence meaning you can't disprove all possible ways God exists without understanding everything.


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15 Dec 2008, 10:45 pm

Nope. There is no way anyone can prove or disprove there is a god.


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15 Dec 2008, 10:54 pm

I do hope religion dies in my lifetime though
I dream to see that :)



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15 Dec 2008, 10:59 pm

In your lifetime? Are you saying you are a vampire? I kind of like vampires.



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15 Dec 2008, 11:02 pm

could be :)
we wiccans are a different bunch
I might be a psychic vampire 8)



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15 Dec 2008, 11:07 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
Nope. There is no way anyone can prove or disprove there is a god.


And yet people do believe a ridiculous claim without proof that he does.

I have some invisible intangible pink elephants for sale by the way.


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15 Dec 2008, 11:21 pm

Since there seems to be consensus that no proof is possible either way why not concentrate on how useless and unnecessarily vicious religion is and ignore whether God exists or not?



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15 Dec 2008, 11:24 pm

i dont care what people believe, just aslong as they dont try forcing there beliefs on me or making laws for the rest of us to live by that we must obey


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15 Dec 2008, 11:24 pm

Fraya wrote:
history_of_psychiatry wrote:
Nope. There is no way anyone can prove or disprove there is a god.


And yet people do believe a ridiculous claim without proof that he does.

I have some invisible intangible pink elephants for sale by the way.

they're ONLY argument is -we have the bible (an old book) and you can't prove he doesn't exist
that's it!
and they expect me to change who I am on that?
f**k them!



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16 Dec 2008, 10:45 am

skafather84 wrote:
Could there be anything that would disprove god that would be satisfactory to believers? ... anything that could be done to disprove god?

No, nothing at all.

That's the ( oops, poetical word here ! :wink: :roll: ) "beauty" of belief in god. It is entirely subjective. And the subjective is powerful and has a real effect.

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04 Jan 2009, 5:35 am

skafather84 wrote:
I'm wondering: Could there be anything that would disprove god that would be satisfactory to believers?



No way. The Believers will always bullet-proof their beliefs with as many ad hoc assumptions as are necessary to shield their beliefs from contrary empirical evidence.

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