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31 Dec 2008, 1:53 pm

Who here thinks that spreading the wealth that obama is pushing is really about spreading everybody's money into obama's pockets leaving us all equally poor?

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31 Dec 2008, 2:02 pm

Not likely, since Obama's tax plan seems mostly just to be a return to the pre-Bush (ie Clinton) system. Unless you believe Obama has some nefarious plot to embezzle all the tax money, your post doesn't make much sense. And if you do believe that, then you're an idiot.

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31 Dec 2008, 2:12 pm

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Who here thinks that spreading the wealth that obama is pushing is really about spreading everybody's money into obama's pockets leaving us all equally poor?

Nah, it was more of a ploy to get elected. There is going to be a lot of disappointed liberals over the next 4 years.

Although if he does follow through on his plans to bankrupt the coal industry (his words), double capital gains taxes, add new entitlements (which are already eating up 60% of our federal budget), it will not be a good thing.

Also remember, when you economically "punish" the rich, it is the ones working for them that suffer. Much better to encourage them to "spread the wealth around" by keeping their money in the country and local community, as money will always go where it is treated the best... as we've seen with Halliburton moving from the US to Dubai.

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31 Dec 2008, 2:13 pm

Orwell wrote:

Unless you believe Obama has some nefarious plot to embezzle all the tax money, your post doesn't make much sense. And if you do believe that, then you're an idiot.

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31 Dec 2008, 2:30 pm

iaccidentallyx wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Unless you believe Obama has some nefarious plot to embezzle all the tax money, your post doesn't make much sense. And if you do believe that, then you're an idiot.

this

Given your OP, you are hardly in a position to play the role of grammar Nazi. Besides, this is an online forum, not any type of formal writing.

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31 Dec 2008, 2:42 pm

Orwell wrote:

iaccidentallyx wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Unless you believe Obama has some nefarious plot to embezzle all the tax money, your post doesn't make much sense. And if you do believe that, then you're an idiot.

this

Given your OP, you are hardly in a position to play the role of grammar Nazi. Besides, this is an online forum, not any type of formal writing.

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31 Dec 2008, 2:48 pm

Did that have any relevance to anything, or do you just like Star Trek?

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31 Dec 2008, 2:59 pm

Orwell wrote:

Did that have any relevance to anything, or do you just like Star Trek?

yes

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31 Dec 2008, 3:01 pm

Would you care to elaborate?

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31 Dec 2008, 3:04 pm

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Would you care to elaborate?

I'd rather not, this is funny as hell.

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31 Dec 2008, 3:11 pm

OK then.

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31 Dec 2008, 5:09 pm

He's just giving us back our own money; it looks great on TV, definitely looks great to anyone who doesn't pay any taxes, looks like non sequitur to anyone else.

Orwell wrote:

Unless you believe Obama has some nefarious plot to embezzle all the tax money, your post doesn't make much sense. And if you do believe that, then you're an idiot.

I don't think it takes anything nefarious, people are just worried about the possibility of him outspending Bush. The stimulus package he has planned is supposedly 5% of the GDP. If we want jobs back, especially as industries are falling like dominoes, we have to think about going concern with our job-providers first before we play Robin Hood.

Otherwise yes, we may well all end up equally poor (which some would claim doesn't bother someone who's for equality over liberty - it doesn't have to work or make the economy better, it just has to be fair to those with less).

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31 Dec 2008, 9:14 pm

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Otherwise yes, we may well all end up equally poor (which some would claim doesn't bother someone who's for equality over liberty - it doesn't have to work or make the economy better, it just has to be fair to those with less).

I personally don't need material items, except for a reasonably comfortable life (ie I don't want to wash laundry in a tin tub). Electricity and heat and air conditioning and running water are nice to have too. Other than that, and internet access and a car (since I'm in California where the car is king), I don't need much. I have toured open houses featuring homes of upwardly mobile yuppies who are going bankrupt and I can't believe how they live. HDTV in the bathroom? $9,000 shower systems? Black leather furniture? Pots and pans as functional art in the kitchen? Granite countertops, all stainless steel appliances, the latest in electronics, not to mention a walk in closet as big as a small bedroom and a fake fireplace in the "master suite"? Sheesh. No wonder they're broke!

I wouldn't mind such overconsumers being brought down a few notches, or a whole lot of notches. Considering that a billion people on this earth live in mud and straw huts, I think Americans could stand to lower their standard of living. They don't have to live like people in Afghanistan, but nobody needs to live like American yuppies do. It's funny, after every crash the yuppies swear off materialism and say they're becoming monks. Then they get bored and start buying stuff again. Well, no more buying stuff, this time it's permanent, you make do with less.

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pezar wrote:

I wouldn't mind such overconsumers being brought down a few notches, or a whole lot of notches. Considering that a billion people on this earth live in mud and straw huts, I think Americans could stand to lower their standard of living. They don't have to live like people in Afghanistan, but nobody needs to live like American yuppies do. It's funny, after every crash the yuppies swear off materialism and say they're becoming monks. Then they get bored and start buying stuff again. Well, no more buying stuff, this time it's permanent, you make do with less.

But what's that really saying though?

When people say that the only thing I can deduce is that they see the world economy as zero-sum and what we have gets taken from others and vice a versa. Other than that, I don't see why it matters what people don't need - they have the right to make their own lives for themselves and chase success and material things as much as they want if they want it, just as you have your right to live on whatever it is you feel you need and adjust your own situation to your own tastes.

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01 Jan 2009, 4:44 am

The way to eliminate poverty is to eliminate money.

I don't believe there is a political leader on the planet with the balls to do it.

All those involved in shuffling money around could actually start doing something useful, and we would ALL only need to work one third as much as we do now to sustain ourselves comfortably.

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01 Jan 2009, 7:52 am

Orwell wrote:

Did that have any relevance to anything, or do you just like Star Trek?

His saying of "this" had absolutely nothing to do with grammar. He was quoting what you said and saying "this" meaning "this is truth"

The clip from Star Trek TNG was extremely relevant, because at the end, Captain Picard faceplams, which is what he probably did IRL when he saw what you wrote.

Also, OP is probably a troll.

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