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Vexcalibur
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28 Jan 2009, 10:05 pm

Here's what I think:

God is a programmer.

Yes, that's right. He is a programmer, and know what? He is running a genetic algorithm as we speak. All the universe is actually an attempt from God to let his laws and free well create something that will surprise it.

And well, I don't think anyone should think like that so I don't have to prove anything. You go ahead with your Christianity / atheism / whatever. I'll be busy surprising God. If you do think I am wrong and should change my mind, then you'll have to convince me with proofs that I am wrong.


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28 Jan 2009, 10:47 pm

First you have to convince me you have free will.



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29 Jan 2009, 1:15 am

That explains it... I opened the door to my house yesterday and there was nothing inside... just a big message that said "Error 404 House Not Found" :lol:



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29 Jan 2009, 1:43 am

I assume there is some computer program-type setup to the universe. You're not the only one with that viewpoint.



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29 Jan 2009, 2:23 am

I cant wait for the new OS to come out cos this one has got too many bugs in it


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29 Jan 2009, 4:35 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
God is a programmer.

Yes, that's right. He is a programmer, and know what? He is running a genetic algorithm as we speak.


Genetic algorithms are not that complex to create (I am playing around on my own currently a bit with genetic algorithms and it is really not that difficult to find here good solutions) - and if I could allow my computer to run for some billion years as a whole planet the results would even better than what the little box in front of my produces within a few minutes or seconds.

Not that impressive.

Vexcalibur wrote:
All the universe is actually an attempt from God to let his laws and free well create


Free will? Image an machine which executes a deterministic algorithm which so tricky that the result of this algorithm does not differ from random numbers and does not give any information regarding the inner state of the machine. Image further that this machine would react to external influences. If you monitor this machine, you could not determinate that this machine, has a "free will" or not.

BTW: Such algorithms are state of the art and to be found in the standard C-library: long int random (void)



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29 Jan 2009, 5:17 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
I cant wait for the new OS to come out cos this one has got too many bugs in it

Well did you get the 1.3 Service Pack Update yet? It fixed most of the bugs in 1.2. (Still have to say 1.1.3 was by far the most stable, still using it myself)


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29 Jan 2009, 5:43 am

gbollard wrote:
That explains it... I opened the door to my house yesterday and there was nothing inside... just a big message that said "Error 404 House Not Found" :lol:

:lol:


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29 Jan 2009, 7:26 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
I cant wait for the new OS to come out cos this one has got too many bugs in it

It's because He tried to run Gentoo without reading the man pages first.


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29 Jan 2009, 8:43 am

Sand wrote:
First you have to convince me you have free will.
Why should I?

Dussel: You are boring.


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29 Jan 2009, 9:04 am

Sand wrote:
First you have to convince me you have free will.

I choose not to have free will. :P


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29 Jan 2009, 9:16 am

zeppelin123 wrote:
I assume there is some computer program-type setup to the universe. You're not the only one with that viewpoint.


I thought this too... it makes perfect sense to resolve the issue of fate vs. free will... at least to me, anyway...



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29 Jan 2009, 9:26 am

Dussel wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
God is a programmer.

Yes, that's right. He is a programmer, and know what? He is running a genetic algorithm as we speak.


Genetic algorithms are not that complex to create (I am playing around on my own currently a bit with genetic algorithms and it is really not that difficult to find here good solutions) - and if I could allow my computer to run for some billion years as a whole planet the results would even better than what the little box in front of my produces within a few minutes or seconds.

Not that impressive.


You are aware that genetic algorithms are a cartoon of Darwinian natural selection from genetic variation? The real thing is much more complicated than the cartoon.

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29 Jan 2009, 10:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
You are aware that genetic algorithms are a cartoon of Darwinian natural selection from genetic variation? The real thing is much more complicated than the cartoon.


I am aware, but we we do not have a planet and some billion years ...



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29 Jan 2009, 10:24 am

Dussel wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
You are aware that genetic algorithms are a cartoon of Darwinian natural selection from genetic variation? The real thing is much more complicated than the cartoon.


I am aware, but we we do not have a planet and some billion years ...
Makes you wonder, who does.


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29 Jan 2009, 10:56 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Here's what I think:

God is a programmer.

Yes, that's right. He is a programmer, and know what? He is running a genetic algorithm as we speak. All the universe is actually an attempt from God to let his laws and free well create something that will surprise it.

And well, I don't think anyone should think like that so I don't have to prove anything. You go ahead with your Christianity / atheism / whatever. I'll be busy surprising God. If you do think I am wrong and should change my mind, then you'll have to convince me with proofs that I am wrong.

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