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Haliphron
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06 Mar 2009, 11:46 am

Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P



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06 Mar 2009, 11:55 am

Haliphron wrote:
Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P


That's an absurd question, because it asks something that is intrinsically without meaning.

Can you make a perfect cube that is also a perfect sphere?



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06 Mar 2009, 11:58 am

Ragtime wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P


That's an absurd question, because it asks something that is intrinsically without meaning.



Aw, c'mon! It TOTALLY does have meaning. It involves exerting force on a massive object under the gravitational influence of another. :D



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06 Mar 2009, 12:07 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P


That's an absurd question, because it asks something that is intrinsically without meaning.



Aw, c'mon! It TOTALLY does have meaning. It involves exerting force on a massive object under the gravitational influence of another. :D


If you have a universe consisting of one particle, then it can have no relative motion.



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06 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P


That's an absurd question, because it asks something that is intrinsically without meaning.



Aw, c'mon! It TOTALLY does have meaning. It involves exerting force on a massive object under the gravitational influence of another. :D


If you have a universe consisting of one particle, then it can have no relative motion.


Im not talking about a 1-particle Universe! Im talking about one as large(or larger) than ours!!
So I take it the answer to my original question is "no"? :lol:



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06 Mar 2009, 1:08 pm

Haliphron wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it? :P


That's an absurd question, because it asks something that is intrinsically without meaning.



Aw, c'mon! It TOTALLY does have meaning. It involves exerting force on a massive object under the gravitational influence of another. :D


If you have a universe consisting of one particle, then it can have no relative motion.


Im not talking about a 1-particle Universe! Im talking about one as large(or larger) than ours!!
So I take it the answer to my original question is "no"? :lol:


"Can God make a stone so big that he couldnt lift it?"

The stone needn't be big at all. But if you must... then yes, there were/are many stones that Jesus couldn't corporeally lift.



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06 Mar 2009, 1:20 pm

But the question is about God, not his son. Jesus is Way under his dad's power level.



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06 Mar 2009, 1:23 pm

TheKingsRaven wrote:
But the question is about God, not his son. Jesus is Way under his dad's power level.


Then my first answer applies. It specifies the size of the stone and the conditions necessary. Why, is there a certain answer you guys want to hear? Hoping to hear? Dying to hear? Just want people to laugh at while you attempt to pose questions intended to stupefy?



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06 Mar 2009, 1:32 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Just want people to laugh at while you attempt to pose questions intended to stupefy?


This is Haliphron we're talking about...



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06 Mar 2009, 1:47 pm

Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Just want people to laugh at while you attempt to pose questions intended to stupefy?


This is Haliphron we're talking about...


I suppose so, but this question is far from original.



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06 Mar 2009, 4:47 pm

Can god make a burrito so hot it can't eat it?

EDIT: Added proper noun.


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06 Mar 2009, 5:24 pm

"Could jesus make (something) so big even he couldn't eat it?"-Peter Griffin (from Family Guy)
The quote may be wrong...



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06 Mar 2009, 6:23 pm

I should think that creating a stone out of nothing is a much harder thing to do than to lift it. So, if God can create the stone, I am sure that he can do the easier thing of lifting it.


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06 Mar 2009, 7:34 pm

Henriksson wrote:
Can god make a burrito so hot it can't eat it?

EDIT: Added proper noun.


I'm sure there are near infinite permutations on absurdity, but it's sad when even atheists can grasp the concept of omnipotence, such as even Gene Roddenberry did in the character of Q, but other atheists are so lame as to attack the mere concept because they think it detracts from God.



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06 Mar 2009, 8:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Can god make a burrito so hot it can't eat it?

EDIT: Added proper noun.


I'm sure there are near infinite permutations on absurdity, but it's sad when even atheists can grasp the concept of omnipotence, such as even Gene Roddenberry did in the character of Q, but other atheists are so lame as to attack the mere concept because they think it detracts from God.


Omnipotence is self contradictory. As is demonstrated by these rock and burrito conundrums. The form of the contradiction resembles the famous Liar Paradox.

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06 Mar 2009, 8:59 pm

If you are an atheist than the easy answer is no, because there would be no being to actually lift the stone.

This dilemma discussing the omnipotence of God is an interesting one, when I asked that question all I got was a stern "REPENT FOR YOUR LACK OF FAITH!! !", and I am not making this up. The easiest answer for these krystiens is "God is not defined by his own science or his own physics, if he is out side of time and outside of space than it will be more than logical for him to be outside of science as well."

If I am a krystien than it will all be clear upon death and if I am not than the answer is irrelivant.