Do you believe the Earth is alive? Or in Gaia?
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I believe in the fundamental female anscestor or as Lao Tsu put it the Tao, I also believe all male dominator systems to be false including the Judeo/Christian/Islaam religious setup and the gregorian calender. Please feel free to disagree with me if it pleases you, I have nothing to prove or hide in this matter. Carl Jung says my subconcious self is female. What a more shamanic culture would call my spirit guide or animal. We have been robbed of our inate sense of awe and reverence for the Earth our Mother. Modern religion focuses on heaven after you die. In fact Christ emphasised eternal life 'now', the kingdom of god being within us and "at hand". It's this life that counts not the next. We need to make heaven on Earth here and now, or rather realise what we have and preserve it for future generations. (probably us don't you think? even the very early church accepted reincarnation.) Don't believe me, check it all out for yourself. Peace <3
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Truth is our sword, lies are our shield.
Our enemy is the shadow we cast ourselves.
Harmony between opposites.
Yeah, I believe Earth is the goddess Gaea. But, this is esoteric stuff that you should shut up about unless you are strong enough to withstand the flames.
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As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
-Pythagoras
What is interesting to me is the origin of the prefix Geo. It comes from Gaea.
Geography
Geology
Geometry
These words all have to do with earthly facts.
Gaea gave birth to Chaos. That is how our earth was formed. It's a f****d up myth that best describes our situation here on earth.
Last year, director/writer Darren Aronofsky released the film Pi: Faith In Chaos (http://www.pithemovie.com). This film took the prestigious Sundance Movie Festival by storm. Pi tells of a genius mathematician named Max Cohen (played by actor Sean Gullette) seeking to uncover the patterns underlying all natural chaotic systems.
Max, believing the stock market is a non-linear, dynamic, chaotic system, applies the principles of number theory to determine the workings behind the apparent random nature of market prices. What Max eventually uncovers almost destroys him. In the end, he rejects this knowledge and (believe it or not!) takes a drill to his brain. The movie concludes with him living in ignorance-- mildly content.
The Parthenon Max is a true disciple of Greek philosopher Pythagoras (circa 600 BC). This philosopher suggests mathematics is the language of the universe. One can see the influence Pythagoras had on this ancient culture by simply looking at the emphasis Greek architecture placed on developing mathematically perfect structures, such as the Parthenon.
This fascination with mathematical perfection came, in part, as the Greek philosophers struggled with understanding a world of change and stagnation, of motion and rest, of unity and diversity. Today, these questions of order and chaos have found a new voice in growing field of "chaos theory." Chaos theory is the study of forever-changing complex systems. This study bases its conclusions on the concept that beneath the things we call "random" patterns actually appear, implying order.
Pi can be understood as a critique on modernism. The modern period (from 15th century until the first half of the 20th century) attempted to understand the world through empirical observation and the power of reason. As science made incredible advances with Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton, the theme was to "make the world knowable." This theme was largely based on the assumption we live in an ordered world created by an orderly God. As René Descartes suggested, the world was a clock, a mechanical system managed by God the Clock-Maker.
With this metaphor in mind, conclusions about the world had to fit an orderly system. During this era, all fields of knowledge were systematized: biology, chemistry, sociology, psychology, logic, and even theology. The goal for rational perfection peaked during the first half of the 20th century. This summit can be seen in the cold efficiency of logical positivism, international architecture, and the artwork of Piet Mondrian.
Likewise, in Pi, Max Cohen seeks to make the world knowable, to destroy the mystery and take apart the clock. But by the end of the movie, he fully embraces the pain of knowledge and the consequences of this pursuit, despite its rewards. He does the irrational to cope with his quest for rationality: Max takes a drill to his brain.
What happens when the clock runs down? (Chaos Theory)
Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the first philosophers to completely reject modernity, understood the end of this pursuit was nihilism. The quest for a perfect system of knowledge would collapse on itself. In his words: "There are no facts, only interpretations." Nothing we can place our faith in, except maybe the creation of our pursuit. But this creation is a beast. Like Frankenstein’s monster, it will and has turned against us.
The best example of how our science turned against us would be the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb was the ironic last "tick-tock" of our modern dreams for a well ordered utopian society. By the beginning of the Cold War, this hope disintegrated into entropy and chaos. We lived in fear of our own science. We developed the ability to destroy ourselves on mass scale with atomic weapons. Our technology and knowledge made us less human, not more so. The clock ran down. And our trust in science as an unquestioned authority went with it.
With the postmodern condition, people are skeptical of absolute knowledge to truly solve the world’s ills. In this condition, the orderly God is not conceivable or receivable. There is simply too much out there. Descartes’ mechanical metaphor does not comfort us. As Isaiah 59:14 states, "Truth has stumbled in the streets." Now truths are seen as something that can only be socially constructed and locally relevant. Universals are observed with skepticism and indignation. There is only chaos, no order.
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As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
-Pythagoras
I believe in the fundamental female anscestor or as Lao Tsu put it the Tao, I also believe all male dominator systems to be false including the Judeo/Christian/Islaam religious setup and the gregorian calender. Please feel free to disagree with me if it pleases you, I have nothing to prove or hide in this matter. Carl Jung says my subconcious self is female. What a more shamanic culture would call my spirit guide or animal. We have been robbed of our inate sense of awe and reverence for the Earth our Mother. Modern religion focuses on heaven after you die. In fact Christ emphasised eternal life 'now', the kingdom of god being within us and "at hand". It's this life that counts not the next. We need to make heaven on Earth here and now, or rather realise what we have and preserve it for future generations. (probably us don't you think? even the very early church accepted reincarnation.) Don't believe me, check it all out for yourself. Peace <3
From an empirical p.o.v. this is complete balderdash.
ruveyn
[quote="Magnus"]
Gaea gave birth to Chaos. That is how our earth was formed. It's a f**** up myth that best describes our situation here on earth.
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It's the other way around - Gaia was born from Chaos, which basically represents the formless void which existed before the world.
I believe in the fundamental female anscestor or as Lao Tsu put it the Tao, I also believe all male dominator systems to be false including the Judeo/Christian/Islaam religious setup and the gregorian calender. Please feel free to disagree with me if it pleases you, I have nothing to prove or hide in this matter. Carl Jung says my subconcious self is female. What a more shamanic culture would call my spirit guide or animal. We have been robbed of our inate sense of awe and reverence for the Earth our Mother. Modern religion focuses on heaven after you die. In fact Christ emphasised eternal life 'now', the kingdom of god being within us and "at hand". It's this life that counts not the next. We need to make heaven on Earth here and now, or rather realise what we have and preserve it for future generations. (probably us don't you think? even the very early church accepted reincarnation.) Don't believe me, check it all out for yourself. Peace <3
From an empirical p.o.v. this is complete balderdash.
ruveyn
Being as rational and empirical as I possibly can, I still cannot find much fault in pseudoreligious belief such as this. If the majority of humans believed like this, as opposed to immoral earth- and life-destroying Abrahamic doctrine, I believe that I can justifiably claim the world would be a better place.
Also, being an atheist who also lacks belief in supernatural things, take all the supernatural stuff (and weird stuff like the mention of the calendar) out of the OP, and I cannot say that I disagree with it. In reality, if we abstract the definition of "life" and take a pseudometaphorical approach, the Earth is indeed our "mother", same as the stars that forged the atoms we are composed of. Indeed, I try to make the point that stars themselves could be considered a "higher power" in an aspiritual worldview because of the sheer fact of their immense energy and how they relate to the origins of the very substance life is constructed from. Also, respect and love for the natural world and its beauty is a concept that we humans have fled too far from in my humble opinion.
by all means be as scientific as you want to be. If any of my presumptions and opinions are negated by hard science i will revise them. and i realise this is just a personal viewpoint i hold.
however sometimes its cool to hear someone say "who likes Pizza?" and get feed back of pizza lovers and pizza haters alike, and of course scientists and zen monks who know there is no pizza only the idea of pizza, which is s**t for keeping the kids quiet.
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Truth is our sword, lies are our shield.
Our enemy is the shadow we cast ourselves.
Harmony between opposites.
Good thread.
Here are some opinions written down by a three authors trying to be 'scientific' about the subject here.
~''Gaia, a New Look at Life on Earth'' by James Lovelock. It on my bookshelf but I never read the whole book. I will once. Other books about this subject are;
~''The Molecular Biology of Gaia'' from G.J. Williams and
~''Gaia's Body: Toward a Physiology of Earth'', published by Tyler Volk.
(I wrote a whole post long but.... wasn't good, yet. Later on, I hope, a bit more)
And don't worry Magnus I'm a 1966 child, ie. Firehorse, a catalyst whos not unacustomed to flame, even the infernal variety. I have to speak out its my nature, its nearly 2012 ffs! So many ravers and acid heads are reverting to type and getting tied back into the system because"they've done their bit". Just like the hippies in the sixties, ok vietnam got stopped but the "savy" trippers ended up giving us microsoft etc and personal computers...hang on my point was? oh yeah the world as we know it is about to end and its not "cool" to mention it or that we live on a concious spaceship called Earth.
Love or fear thats the choice, and the lines where never so blurred as now.
Thought will be increasingly manifest into reality as we approach the Apocolypse (means The Lifting of the Viel) so much so that some will transcend this dimension others will stay here for another cycle (50+k years). advert over. (selling the truth is a non profit making venture sure to get you ostracised by all the people in high places). I spit on your conventional wisdom, i think i'm right or at the very least half right and on the right track. Please flame me now for my own good
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Truth is our sword, lies are our shield.
Our enemy is the shadow we cast ourselves.
Harmony between opposites.
I'm curious, what makes you think the world is going to end?
A second question: If the world does end soon, does that change anything?
Last edited by Legato on 24 Feb 2009, 8:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
Many of our ideas are quite arbitrary - for example, what is alive/not alive, or what is a species.
Humans cannot exist without green plants; we are exosymbionts in association with plants. Although we need not be in direct physical contact with any particular plant, we need them in the same physical system connected to us. The brain is not the heart is not the liver, but all are interdependent and part of a larger system called the human. Humans exist in the Earth system in a similar fashion, although we are a bit less required than the heart or liver ... those functions would be served by bacteria, plants and fungi. Some might argue that humans are evolving as the brain, but the Earth system was doing ok before us.
I believe in the fundamental female anscestor or as Lao Tsu put it the Tao, I also believe all male dominator systems to be false including the Judeo/Christian/Islaam religious setup and the gregorian calender. Please feel free to disagree with me if it pleases you, I have nothing to prove or hide in this matter. Carl Jung says my subconcious self is female. What a more shamanic culture would call my spirit guide or animal. We have been robbed of our inate sense of awe and reverence for the Earth our Mother. Modern religion focuses on heaven after you die. In fact Christ emphasised eternal life 'now', the kingdom of god being within us and "at hand". It's this life that counts not the next. We need to make heaven on Earth here and now, or rather realise what we have and preserve it for future generations. (probably us don't you think? even the very early church accepted reincarnation.) Don't believe me, check it all out for yourself. Peace <3
In western culture the earth is thought to be female but in ancient egypt the earth was ruled by the (male)deity Geb. I ask those who think that earth is alive to provide a rigorous definition of life. Planets, unlike stars and life on earth, CANNOT reproduce. Self-reproduction is one of the fundamental characteristics of living things; any biologist will tell you. Just because there is an an energy releasing process taking place in the earths interior DOESNT MEAN that its alive! With regards to weather(including wind)and ocean currents the cause of this is energy input from the sun which makes it a dynamical system but NOT a living organism. Living organisms consume energy and use that energy to decrease entropy. The earths internal structure formed billions of years ago and does not require entropy to maintain.
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