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Why do you believe the moon landing took place?
I was a passenger in the Apollo mission 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
I live in the moon and they visited my neighborhood 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
My parents told me 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I saw it on TV and that's good enough for me 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Footage, oficial story, books, are evidence enough for me 46%  46%  [ 29 ]
The NWO is behind the hoax 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
The US was desperate to beat the USSR 16%  16%  [ 10 ]
God didn't allow the Tower of Babel to be built much less going to the moon 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
No moonwalking for several years with more advanced technology 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
meh.. I don't care 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 63

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11 Feb 2009, 7:03 pm

What empirical basis do we actually have, especially, the newer generation, in order believe that the apollo moon landing took place with 100% certainty, is the footage shown, history books, interviews, oficial position on it, evidence enough for us, or is that just a matter of leap of faith or both, elaborate please.


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11 Feb 2009, 7:25 pm

Um... there's crap we brought back from the moon. I've seen and handled moon rocks (my middle school science teacher had some connections in NASA). We left some stuff up there. There is footage (and obviously not faked footage, we have enough eyewitness testimony) that shows astronauts boarding a rocket that was blasted off into space, and the same evidence shows them coming back. I suppose it is hypothetically possible that they just went into orbit and the rest is an extremely elaborate hoax, but if we start believing that we'll make poor William of Ockham slit his wrists with that fancy razor of his. Lex Parsimoniae is the kiss of death to most of these crazy conspiracy theories.


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11 Feb 2009, 7:29 pm

What purpose to fake it? Motive is key. If it is a fake, how far does the fake extend? Does it extend as far as other corroborating info (satellite images etc.)


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11 Feb 2009, 7:31 pm

Of course it's faked. There's NO WAY they could have survived traveling through the Van Halen radiation belts. Americans are f*****g sheep.


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11 Feb 2009, 7:46 pm

I once saw a documentary on the subject which caused me to have serious doubts. I voted I do not care.



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11 Feb 2009, 8:16 pm

twoshots wrote:
Of course it's faked. There's NO WAY they could have survived traveling through the Van Halen radiation belts. Americans are f***ing sheep.


But we all know that Van Halen lost a lot of their power when David Lee Roth left...


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11 Feb 2009, 8:26 pm

the moon doesn't exist! :P



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11 Feb 2009, 8:43 pm

Macbeth wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Of course it's faked. There's NO WAY they could have survived traveling through the Van Halen radiation belts. Americans are f***ing sheep.


But we all know that Van Halen lost a lot of their power when David Lee Roth left...
:lol: Do I detect a bias? I dunno man...they produced four platnum albums with Hagar, and had much better ratings and more financial success. Although I have a preference for Roth myself.



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11 Feb 2009, 8:50 pm

greenblue wrote:
What empirical basis do we actually have, especially, the newer generation, in order believe that the apollo moon landing took place with 100% certainty, is the footage shown, history books, interviews, oficial position on it, evidence enough for us, or is that just a matter of leap of faith or both, elaborate please.


The command module+service module + lem was tracked all the way to the moon by its broadcasts. It was also tracked by earth radar stations. So we know a vehicle land on the moon and took off.

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11 Feb 2009, 9:26 pm

All the so-called evidence the conspiracy theorists has put forth have rational explanations. The flag "flutters" because it's carrying the momentum from the astronauts adjusting it, the lighting anomalies are simply the result of uneven terrain and the reflective properties of lunar dust, the clear footprint is due to the extremely rough nature of lunar dust.

The simple fact is, we went to the moon. The only reason we haven't been back is that after the Apollo missions there simply wasn't a practical reason to return. We already knew what was there, and it was insanely expensive to go back. We won't be back until the Constellation Project kicks off and eventually returns in June of 2019.


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11 Feb 2009, 9:51 pm

Once the seeds of doubt are planted they might infect more solid knowledge like Biblical stories of the parting of the sea and the story of Adam and Eve and the snake. Better to accept the Moon landing and flying saucer stories and Saddam Hussein's WMDs and Obama as the savior of the nation and Christ's ascension into heaven. Let sleeping dogs lie. (Evidently they can lie better than Nixon or the former Senator McCarthy).



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11 Feb 2009, 10:19 pm

Sand wrote:
Once the seeds of doubt are planted they might infect more solid knowledge like Biblical stories of the parting of the sea and the story of Adam and Eve and the snake. Better to accept the Moon landing and flying saucer stories and Saddam Hussein's WMDs and Obama as the savior of the nation and Christ's ascension into heaven. Let sleeping dogs lie. (Evidently they can lie better than Nixon or the former Senator McCarthy).

How's Finland?


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11 Feb 2009, 10:28 pm

Moon landing hoax theories are rather like most species of conspiracy theory: evidence which the person making the claim is spectacularly unqualified to examine is dredged up, refuted time and again, and when all substantial evidence fails some completely circumstantial BS is summoned.

There is this bazaar cult of self appointed skeptics out there who, lacking expertise and education in relevant fields, has appointed themselves fit to evaluate and criticize the "disinformation" promulgated by The Man.

I mean, I'm going through a list of the most prominent moon hoax accusers, and they pretty much all have in common not being engineers or scientists. Now, it probably doesn't help that a lot of them are film makers, journalists and *some guy who wrote a book*, all of whom I have essentially zero respect for. So maybe I'm just biased.

The guy who got the whole thing started was - and anyone who follows cruel geek field of study rivalries on the internet will get a chuckle - an English major.

Where would we be without these self appointed scions of truth to educate us, save us from hoaxes and conspiracies and MMR vaccines?

(Of course, the only engineer who is mentioned on the list - get this - is apparently bat s**t nuts because he thinks that the moon has .64G surface gravity - he also thinks that the moon landings were real but the speed of the film was decreased to cover up the high gravity).


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11 Feb 2009, 10:28 pm

Dokken wrote:
Sand wrote:
Once the seeds of doubt are planted they might infect more solid knowledge like Biblical stories of the parting of the sea and the story of Adam and Eve and the snake. Better to accept the Moon landing and flying saucer stories and Saddam Hussein's WMDs and Obama as the savior of the nation and Christ's ascension into heaven. Let sleeping dogs lie. (Evidently they can lie better than Nixon or the former Senator McCarthy).

How's Finland?


Much saner than New York City where I grew up and lived half my life and frequently not as cold in wintertime. Thinking of coming?



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11 Feb 2009, 10:40 pm

Sand wrote:
Dokken wrote:
Sand wrote:
Once the seeds of doubt are planted they might infect more solid knowledge like Biblical stories of the parting of the sea and the story of Adam and Eve and the snake. Better to accept the Moon landing and flying saucer stories and Saddam Hussein's WMDs and Obama as the savior of the nation and Christ's ascension into heaven. Let sleeping dogs lie. (Evidently they can lie better than Nixon or the former Senator McCarthy).

How's Finland?


Much saner than New York City where I grew up and lived half my life and frequently not as cold in wintertime. Thinking of coming?

i've already been. anyways, i like some sunlight


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11 Feb 2009, 10:45 pm

Dokken wrote:
Sand wrote:
Dokken wrote:
Sand wrote:
Once the seeds of doubt are planted they might infect more solid knowledge like Biblical stories of the parting of the sea and the story of Adam and Eve and the snake. Better to accept the Moon landing and flying saucer stories and Saddam Hussein's WMDs and Obama as the savior of the nation and Christ's ascension into heaven. Let sleeping dogs lie. (Evidently they can lie better than Nixon or the former Senator McCarthy).

How's Finland?


Much saner than New York City where I grew up and lived half my life and frequently not as cold in wintertime. Thinking of coming?

i've already been. anyways, i like some sunlight


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