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20 Mar 2009, 8:48 am

I've been thinkking of this question for sometime now, "Security" is there really any security at all, or is it just a word to give people a feeling of content? Technically there is no such thing as a full-proof security.

All response are constructive critism to me so please, opinions are valued, reply.


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20 Mar 2009, 9:03 am

NomadicAssassin wrote:
I've been thinkking of this question for sometime now, "Security" is there really any security at all, or is it just a word to give people a feeling of content? Technically there is no such thing as a full-proof security.

All response are constructive critism to me so please, opinions are valued, reply.


In the absolute sense there is no guaranteed security. All one can do is to shift the odds in his favor. There never was fool proof security and there never will be. The only truly secure people are dead people. Nothing can hurt them anymore.

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20 Mar 2009, 9:14 am

Your level of security is inversely proportional to the likelihood of a crime being successfully committed against your person or property.

Absolute security is of course impossible, but just because something can't exist in an absolute fashion in a realistic situation doesn't mean it can't exist at all. After all, time itself does not exist in an absolute fashion, yet it is absurd to say time does not exist.


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20 Mar 2009, 9:18 am

It's not like you either have full security or nothing at all. It's not black and white, if you understand what I mean. Many of us have a form of security that, while not guaranteering anything, is more secure than no security at all.


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20 Mar 2009, 9:35 am

Even though most of us are smart enough to figure this out, the point is still valid. I mean, people don't think of security probabilistically, but I'd bet that they think of it using dumb heuristics that believe that safe really is safe.



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20 Mar 2009, 10:43 am

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Even though most of us are smart enough to figure this out, the point is still valid. I mean, people don't think of security probabilistically, but I'd bet that they think of it using dumb heuristics that believe that safe really is safe.


And I'll bet you have no real idea what "people" believe. Generalizing like that is nonsense.



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20 Mar 2009, 10:52 am

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And I'll bet you have no real idea what "people" believe. Generalizing like that is nonsense.

Who does? Really though, given all of the nonsense on making us safer through military action that has gone on towards the middle east without regard for trade-offs(with Cheney once invoking an idea that even an absurdly low risk would merit action), and the fact that regulatory policies seem to keep little notion of trade-offs in mind, and how resistant people seem to be to considering healthcare as just an economic good, my idea seems to show some validity. Not only that, but the notion of a simplified heuristic does not sound absurd either, as simpler creatures likely have only 2 major instincts: security or fight or flight instinct, and an evolutionary psychology approach(evolution being an accepted frame for most people here) would recognize that we descend from those creatures.

Everything is nonsense.



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20 Mar 2009, 11:13 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
And I'll bet you have no real idea what "people" believe. Generalizing like that is nonsense.

Who does? Really though, given all of the nonsense on making us safer through military action that has gone on towards the middle east without regard for trade-offs(with Cheney once invoking an idea that even an absurdly low risk would merit action), and the fact that regulatory policies seem to keep little notion of trade-offs in mind, and how resistant people seem to be to considering healthcare as just an economic good, my idea seems to show some validity. Not only that, but the notion of a simplified heuristic does not sound absurd either, as simpler creatures likely have only 2 major instincts: security or fight or flight instinct, and an evolutionary psychology approach(evolution being an accepted frame for most people here) would recognize that we descend from those creatures.

Everything is nonsense.


Frankly, your enthusiasm for nonsense is vaguely amusing but it rather undercuts your comments.



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20 Mar 2009, 1:33 pm

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Frankly, your enthusiasm for nonsense is vaguely amusing but it rather undercuts your comments.

Well, to be honest, I don't think anyone escapes nonsense. As for my comments, well, they are meant to be somewhat cynical anyway, and mostly to be critical more so than anything else. I am not trying to create a positive program.



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20 Mar 2009, 3:50 pm

NomadicAssassin wrote:
I've been thinkking of this question for sometime now, "Security" is there really any security at all, or is it just a word to give people a feeling of content? Technically there is no such thing as a full-proof security.

All response are constructive critism to me so please, opinions are valued, reply.


most security is part of an authority-illusion.

cops usually catch people AFTER the deed is done.

a brilliant example is air port security. nobody brings a bomb through the x-ray. nobody. ever. never happened. never will.
"see, thats why they got the x-ray there"

no, cus planes explode anyway.

bombs DO get on planes, DESPITE the stupid x-ray. guns too. its mostly to let people know that the gvt is in control, they can relax, and be safe.

in norway, they arent even armed. you could, if you wanted to, just run past the x-ray, with a bomb, hurl yourself onto a plane, and blow it up. the security _doesnt work_

just for show.


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