Mexican flu
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i dont believe mexico city is cleaner than alot of europe. thats probably garbage, im not gonna go through all the hastle of finding out how clean mexico city is though. and the flu started in mexico, and spread. it didnt start in california and spread to mexico, until a relatively clean country starts something for the rest of us to share then i'll believe clean countrys can start pandemics, reguardless, i dont even think the mexican officials know how it started. look at whos running the country, its practicley a failed state. if any pandemic could have been started anyplace worse, it was probably mexico
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Nature is capable of some pretty odd things. That said, pigs, birds, and humans are biologically so far apart that a hat trick virus that combines all three seems unlikely. Two has happened. Three seems rather odd.
Influenza has been infecting all three groups of organisms since before we even knew viruses existed, or that nucleic acid was the genetic material. Viruses are tricky little bastards, and you never know what to expect from them.
It is new. Anne Schuchat, head of science and public health at the CDC, said that the US virus is an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences from North American pigs, Eurasian pigs, birds and humans. The H protein on its surface, having hitherto circulated only in pigs, is one most human immune systems have never seen, the crucial requirement for a pandemic flu.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... demic.html
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We have to assume' swine flu is in Ontario, health official warns
http://www.healthzone.ca/health/article/624335
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UK -
Cabin crew member in hospital after flight from swine flu-struck Mexico
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ap ... ico-flight
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Ginseng and Salviae herbs play a role as immune activators and modulate immune responses during influenza virus infection
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 87a20169a0
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this story has almost immediately been buried and can only be found on Google cache now...
Long link to IP address 74.125.95.132 which could be anything.
compare with this one put in it's place:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/167 ... index.html
see how they are somewhat different?? Is that not slightly odd??
Last edited by Concenik on 25 Apr 2009, 6:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
That rats eat up the garbage.
By the way have you ever noticed that we tend to name diseases after foreign nationalities and societies. For example: Asian flu, German measles, the Blotch of Egypt, the French rash. Do you not see a bit of xenophobia there?
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i'd suppose that's basicly because we consider people from these regions to have weaker immunitary system than others for contracting said disease and spreading the disease or virus, which is why it has a negative connotation... Or it could just be that the first important cases of such disease comes from there? ^.- hrm. Anyway, i'll be looking out for this too, damn those viruses for constantly finding new tricks to spread >< .
It is more basic than that. Humans tend to blame the evil that befalls them on The Other, The Stranger.
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It seems this virus had NOT reassorted in pigs..so where had it come from??
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... ZC20090424
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OK, so an article was edited. I don't see what the big deal is.
They weren't in relation to your quote - other than the first one...
Other than the banning thing - I was asked not to multiple post in sequence and to condense links into just one post .. probably because of my 'link spam' in the 'NWO monetary system' thread..that was why I kept editing the links onto the same post...
I realised it might have confused..sorry about that..
The relevant line that was completely omitted in the re formulated article was:
also as stated in the post I've just put up, the idea is that H1N1 has re assorted in pigs - this 'very unusual' and 'highly exotic' virus..but..
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... ZC20090424
This would seemingly rule out such a theory. So I continue to speculate that because of these facts which run absolutely contrary to much of the OP ED out there as to it's origin and that it's a 'highly unusual' combination of muti species strains that it appears to be a artificially weaponised virus.
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Yes, it can and does happen in nature. Our own knowledge is not sufficient to reliably engineer this type of thing, and certainly not very quickly. Bioweapons research also has largely stalled since the end of the Cold War- the most advanced bioweapons facility ever built was from the 80s in Kazakhstan.
With all due respect Orwell, unless you actually work as a microbiologist within a military construct ( which would lower your life expectancy considerably judging from the amount of mysterious fatalities having such a career seems to engender) you have no grounds to evince a knowledge of what can and can't be done in these spheres, for it surely isn't in the public realm..
I don't need to go through the hassle of finding out, beause I've already seen it with my own eyes (and smelled it too); believe it or not, sometimes brown people really are cleaner than white people; whether you refuse to believe it or not is irrelevant. And there are lots of places that are worse than Mexico, which is actually relatively prosperous compared to most of Latin America and the Third World, but if you knew anything about the Third World you'd know that.
Anyway, as I posted earlier, if one were attacking the US, one wouldn't release the strain far south of the border. Since Mexico itself is extremely unlikely to be a target of bioterror, by Occam's razor it's sensible to assume this is a natural mutation - it's not as if a virus mutating were unheard of.
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Concenik, you lost me a bit on your opinion of who might be responsible. What/who is the old structure? I have trouble with the idea of something like this being intentional, because of inability for one to protect themself from their own pandemic...unless they might not care.
I imagine contingencies would have been made if it were the case..
'old structure' - um, it's an entirely different thread - I might start that one up sometime when I feel sufficiently armoured to deal with the flak it will no doubt attract
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Anyway, as I posted earlier, if one were attacking the US, one wouldn't release the strain far south of the border. Since Mexico itself is extremely unlikely to be a target of bioterror, by Occam's razor it's sensible to assume this is a natural mutation - it's not as if a virus mutating were unheard of.
No, it's not necessarily sensible to assume it's a natural mutation as the 'Occamic' evidences point distinctly in the opposite direction.
I reiterate - I personally am not suggesting it is an attack directed solely at America - and why would one of the most densely populated cities in the world with a hugely busy airport be such a bad choice to seed a virus if you were looking to start a pandemic to thin the numbers?
I spent a number of months in Mexico city and although the poverty can be extreme it never struck me as being a 'dirty city' - Guatemala city is a dirty city..
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Yes, it can and does happen in nature. Our own knowledge is not sufficient to reliably engineer this type of thing, and certainly not very quickly. Bioweapons research also has largely stalled since the end of the Cold War- the most advanced bioweapons facility ever built was from the 80s in Kazakhstan.
With all due respect Orwell, unless you actually work as a microbiologist within a military construct ( which would lower your life expectancy considerably judging from the amount of mysterious fatalities having such a career seems to engender) you have no grounds to evince a knowledge of what can and can't be done in these spheres, for it surely isn't in the public realm..
I am a microbiology student, and I know that if you attempt to study microbiology at even a very basic level you will quickly run into questions where the best answer anyone can give you is "I dunno." We know virtually nothing about biology. I have also heard and read statements from people who are competent in the realm of bioweapons, and they attest that it is not a trifling matter in terms of its complexity. It really is very difficult to produce bioweapons.
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