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19 May 2009, 10:34 am

Okay, since the only political views accepted on this forum are those in sync with modern, politically correct, popular western democracy and everything else isn't tolerated, I won't be making any more posts here.

My own views are pro-european, I am anti-immigration, anti-islamist and I will continue to work IRL to make things harder for immigrants and foreign cultures where I live. However, since only one political view is tolerated here I won't be using this forum. I also would like a ban on all unhealthy products and franchises like McDonalds and Coca Cola in my country and a law preventing copies with the same services/products but different names. I also support all forms of anti-immigration policies and nationalistic struggle in European nations overall, even though I wish for a federal Fortress Europe to be created in the end, but this as a federation for europeans only.



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19 May 2009, 10:41 am

Plenty of political views are tolerated here. We've got an anarchist, a Marxist, a monarchist, right-wing gun nuts, nanny statists, Christians, atheists, agnostics, Jews, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and certainly several others that I'm missing. If people respond badly to your views, its probably because you haven't presented them effectively.

The values of Western democracy probably predominate, yes, but that doesn't mean all alternatives are automatically rejected. You may have rubbed some people the same way if you made blanket derogatory statements against an entire religion that includes over a billion people, but I would probably agree with a number of anti-Islamic criticisms.


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19 May 2009, 10:52 am

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Okay, since the only political views accepted on this forum are those in sync with modern, politically correct, popular western democracy and everything else isn't tolerated, I won't be making any more posts here.

My own views are pro-european, I am anti-immigration, anti-islamist and I will continue to work IRL to make things harder for immigrants and foreign cultures where I live. However, since only one political view is tolerated here I won't be using this forum. I also would like a ban on all unhealthy products and franchises like McDonalds and Coca Cola in my country and a law preventing copies with the same services/products but different names.


I don't think I've encountered you on the PPR forum, but I have to disagree with you. Conservatives are plentiful there, and are just as intolerant as the liberals. While there are probably more liberals than conservatives, both sides are able to make their cases easily. Of course the liberals attack the conservative posts, but it works equally well going the other way. The nature of PPR is that there are going to be spirited arguments. As long as no one attacks the poster, it works pretty well.

If you feel that someone is making a personal attack on you, please PM me to let me know. I will check it out and take whatever action is necessary.

McDonald's is one of my favorite restaurants :lmao:


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19 May 2009, 11:06 am

ed wrote:
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Okay, since the only political views accepted on this forum are those in sync with modern, politically correct, popular western democracy and everything else isn't tolerated, I won't be making any more posts here.

My own views are pro-european, I am anti-immigration, anti-islamist and I will continue to work IRL to make things harder for immigrants and foreign cultures where I live. However, since only one political view is tolerated here I won't be using this forum. I also would like a ban on all unhealthy products and franchises like McDonalds and Coca Cola in my country and a law preventing copies with the same services/products but different names.


I don't think I've encountered you on the PPR forum, but I have to disagree with you. Conservatives are plentiful there, and are just as intolerant as the liberals. While there are probably more liberals than conservatives, both sides are able to make their cases easily. Of course the liberals attack the conservative posts, but it works equally well going the other way. The nature of PPR is that there are going to be spirited arguments. As long as no one attacks the poster, it works pretty well.

If you feel that someone is making a personal attack on you, please PM me to let me know. I will check it out and take whatever action is necessary.

McDonald's is one of my favorite restaurants :lmao:


I had two moderators on my ass because of people feeling offended when I stated that I hate american culture and the american constitution, I think different races smell differently etc and now a thread on anti-white racism was locked after an anti-bullying speech by someone who, between the lines, attacked the majority who "bullies" minorities like for example immigrants and muslims by being anti-immigrant/anti-islamist. Two moderators jumped in and concluded that "this is the way to go" and that it's wrong with spirited arguments in any form because just the mentioning of someone's nation in a bad context can be seen as "bullying" or "personal insult".

The rules of the forum have twisted themselves into a strange loop where it becomes impossible to have political oppinions other than what certain moderators accept because everything else can be individually seen as "bullying". For example I am not allowed to criticize the United States of America or in any way use negative language when adressing american society, culture and politics. This was made very clear.

I'm simply not going to post because if you can't express negative views on society and culture, which is intertwined with politics and shapes it just like politics shapes modern culture, I see no point in discussing politics at all. Politics isn't a genderless, universal, absolute language. It's locally and culturally coloured and changes over time.



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19 May 2009, 11:10 am

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I am not allowed to criticize the United States of America or in any way use negative language when adressing american society, culture and politics.


Why not? I do it every day :lol:



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19 May 2009, 11:12 am

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I am not allowed to criticize the United States of America or in any way use negative language when adressing american society, culture and politics.


Why not? I do it every day :lol:


Because individual americans may feel offended by it. It was explained to me that the only acceptable approach is to view all cultures as fundamentally equal and similar and accept that no country or nation has its' own peculiarities and extremes. Anything else can be offensive to people from that particular country so having a view which points out something bad about a specific nation/culture/society is not tolerated.



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19 May 2009, 11:17 am

Zoonic, idk if you got the feeling that I was trying to attack you but that is not the case. Its just my nature to express my opinion if it clashes with someone else's. This is a debate forum afterall isnt it?



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19 May 2009, 11:36 am

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It was explained to me that the only acceptable approach is to view all cultures as fundamentally equal and similar...


Seriously?



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19 May 2009, 12:13 pm

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Okay, since the only political views accepted on this forum are those in sync with modern, politically correct, popular western democracy and everything else isn't tolerated, I won't be making any more posts here.



So you are saying that people disagree with you, and that makes it a hostile environment?



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19 May 2009, 12:26 pm

I view nationalism as something of a mental sickness, so no thanks. It's not the spread of Islam we should be concerned with (there is quite a spread of Christianity here, after all) but the religious extremists.


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19 May 2009, 12:53 pm

monty wrote:
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Okay, since the only political views accepted on this forum are those in sync with modern, politically correct, popular western democracy and everything else isn't tolerated, I won't be making any more posts here.



So you are saying that people disagree with you, and that makes it a hostile environment?


No, I'm saying that moderators threaten me because I express views others disagree with. I don't mind people like hyder13 arguing with me but I mind being told that I have no right to criticize a specific culture.



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19 May 2009, 1:47 pm

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My own views are pro-european, I am anti-immigration, anti-islamist and I will continue to work IRL to make things harder for immigrants and foreign cultures where I live. However, since only one political view is tolerated here I won't be using this forum. I also would like a ban on all unhealthy products and franchises like McDonalds and Coca Cola in my country and a law preventing copies with the same services/products but different names. I also support all forms of anti-immigration policies and nationalistic struggle in European nations overall, even though I wish for a federal Fortress Europe to be created in the end, but this as a federation for europeans only.


so how would you define a "european"? where do Europeans end? are Turks Europeans? what about Russians? people from the Balkans?

what about mixed-race people who have a "european" parent?

agreed about the mods though, I also believe they're going a bit overboard with the censorship on this website :?


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19 May 2009, 1:57 pm

anna-banana wrote:
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My own views are pro-european, I am anti-immigration, anti-islamist and I will continue to work IRL to make things harder for immigrants and foreign cultures where I live. However, since only one political view is tolerated here I won't be using this forum. I also would like a ban on all unhealthy products and franchises like McDonalds and Coca Cola in my country and a law preventing copies with the same services/products but different names. I also support all forms of anti-immigration policies and nationalistic struggle in European nations overall, even though I wish for a federal Fortress Europe to be created in the end, but this as a federation for europeans only.


so how would you define a "european"? where do Europeans end? are Turks Europeans? what about Russians? people from the Balkans?

what about mixed-race people who have a "european" parent?

agreed about the mods though, I also believe they're going a bit overboard with the censorship on this website :?


Mixed race people with one european parent are european, of course. I know many born in Sweden who have one parent from Sweden or another western european country and another one from Asia, the middle-east or someplace. I consider them europeans.

Turks are not europeans in my oppinion. Russians are "eurasians" if you ask me but many might disagree.

My vision however, is a Fortress Europe consisting mainly of traditional western, central european and southern states with no non-european immigration except in the case of those who marry a european and adapt to european society. I don't want non-european immigrants to exist in large-scale within the borders of Europe.



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19 May 2009, 2:02 pm

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Mixed race people with one european parent are european, of course. I know many born in Sweden who have one parent from Sweden or another western european country and another one from Asia, the middle-east or someplace. I consider them europeans.

Turks are not europeans in my oppinion. Russians are "eurasians" if you ask me but many might disagree.

My vision however, is a Fortress Europe consisting mainly of traditional western, central european and southern states with no non-european immigration except in the case of those who marry a european and adapt to european society. I don't want non-european immigrants to exist in large-scale within the borders of Europe.


What of, for example, France's overseas territories? In your vision, do they count as part of Europe?



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19 May 2009, 2:04 pm

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Mixed race people with one european parent are european, of course. I know many born in Sweden who have one parent from Sweden or another western european country and another one from Asia, the middle-east or someplace. I consider them europeans.

Turks are not europeans in my oppinion. Russians are "eurasians" if you ask me but many might disagree.

My vision however, is a Fortress Europe consisting mainly of traditional western, central european and southern states with no non-european immigration except in the case of those who marry a european and adapt to european society. I don't want non-european immigrants to exist in large-scale within the borders of Europe.


so where is your eastern border?

anyway, I'm very pro-european myself but I appreciate the cosmopolitan and multi-cultural atmosphere of most big cities. I'd like to see a good deportation system for those who don't know any European language and only want to parasite on the system, regardless their colour or nationality. I'd like to see a better system of political asylums for those who deserve it though.


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19 May 2009, 2:05 pm

I may not agree with the mods here, but in this case I think you deserve all the attention they can give you.