Why are Republicans against health insurance for children

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27 May 2009, 10:28 pm

but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?

I see today's Republican Party as being run by the extremely wealthy, using moral wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion to get the uneducated White vote.

What happened to the party of Reagan & Bush I?



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27 May 2009, 10:33 pm

This is their legacy. This is exactly the Republican party of Reagan and Bush Sr., they just had to make it a little less obvious. I think what you mean to ask is what happened to the Republican party from BEFORE Reagan, and well.... Reagan happened.



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27 May 2009, 10:43 pm

In answer to your question, because there's not enough money for government healthcare, 18 year olds can get credit cards because they are legally adults, and I don't know enough about credit to answer the question about interest.

Also Democrats are just as guilty of using wedge issues to cater to their support base.


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27 May 2009, 11:50 pm

Republicans are against government interventions and are in favor of market and business interests.

The insurance for children is a government intervention(which they are against and fear because they see it as likely to creep up and hurt their interests) and credit cards targeted at people who are 18 does not involve the government and is in favor of market and business interest and of course personal responsibility.

This is the same party of Reagan and Bush I, as Reagan was pretty laissez-faire as well, and both parties are essentially manipulative. The entire idea of politics is one of a game over policy to get positioned in a manner to tug at people's souls rather than appeal to their reason. If people were rational, then they probably wouldn't get involved in the politicking in the first place.



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28 May 2009, 2:30 am

Reagan's entire economic policy was a joke... the whole trickle-down concept doesn't work in practice...

the idea is to give money to rich people, who would invest it to create new jobs and other opportunities for people down the line, and thus the money given to the rich people would "trickle down" to the masses. It doesn't work because the rich just hoard the money (and possibly spend it on personal luxuries that don't generate nearly as many jobs as investment would)...



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28 May 2009, 3:27 am

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Reagan's entire economic policy was a joke... the whole trickle-down concept doesn't work in practice...

the idea is to give money to rich people, who would invest it to create new jobs and other opportunities for people down the line, and thus the money given to the rich people would "trickle down" to the masses. It doesn't work because the rich just hoard the money (and possibly spend it on personal luxuries that don't generate nearly as many jobs as investment would)...

Well, I think you are correct that the reduction in income taxes is very much oversold by the republican party, when better emphasis would be placed more directly upon the use of capital and things like that where marginal effects might be more relevant.



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28 May 2009, 6:47 am

AspieCard wrote:
but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?

I see today's Republican Party as being run by the extremely wealthy, using moral wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion to get the uneducated White vote.

What happened to the party of Reagan & Bush I?


Want some napalm for your flame gun? :lol:

Credit cards are not democrat or republican. They are the closest thing to loan sharks short of student loans. They target anyone who can legally agree to a contract, and yes, they do target the young to get them trapped into debt early.

Hate to break it to you, but look at those running the Democrat Party...you'll see a different variety of extremely wealthy people using other moral wedge issues to get the uneducated white and minority votes.

Reagan had a high time for the Republican Party because he was a charismatic leader and excellent speaker.

And health insurance for children....give me a good reason why I should pay for someone else's child to have health benefits when I can't get insurance I can afford for myself?



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28 May 2009, 8:55 am

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because there's not enough money for government healthcare

You've gotta be kidding me. The US has the most money per capita in the entire world.

EDIT: Or maybe people are just too afraid to pay taxes, and the tax money that do exist are blown on pointless wars. Priorities, priorites...


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28 May 2009, 9:26 am

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Why are Republicans against health insurance for children but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?


Because to most Republicans, life is absolutely sacred and must be protected at all costs. Until it passes through the birth canal. Then the little bastard and the one who gave birth to them are on their own and deserve to die of their own poverty.

WWJD? Apparently exactly that.



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28 May 2009, 9:33 am

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John_Browning wrote:
because there's not enough money for government healthcare

You've gotta be kidding me. The US has the most money per capita in the entire world.

No it doesn't. Norway and Sweden, just for example, both have more.


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28 May 2009, 9:35 am

JoJerome wrote:
AspieCard wrote:
Why are Republicans against health insurance for children but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?


Because to most Republicans, life is absolutely sacred and must be protected at all costs. Until it passes through the birth canal. Then the little bastard and the one who gave birth to them are on their own and deserve to die of their own poverty.

WWJD? Apparently exactly that.


i dont get it. what does jesus have to do with politics?


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28 May 2009, 10:09 am

oscuria wrote:
JoJerome wrote:
AspieCard wrote:
Why are Republicans against health insurance for children but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?


Because to most Republicans, life is absolutely sacred and must be protected at all costs. Until it passes through the birth canal. Then the little bastard and the one who gave birth to them are on their own and deserve to die of their own poverty.

WWJD? Apparently exactly that.


i dont get it. what does jesus have to do with politics?


An overwhelming majority of Republicans are also Christian and against so much separation of Church and State. Or more specifically, separation of Christianity and State.

America = Christian nation* = pointing out hypocrisy between traditional Christian views and one's political views (such as caring for the needy) is fair game.

(*in the Republican view, not in the founding-fathers/constitutional view).



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28 May 2009, 10:23 am

JoJerome wrote:
AspieCard wrote:
Why are Republicans against health insurance for children but support credit cards targeting 18 years and doubling interest rates after one late payment?


Because to most Republicans, life is absolutely sacred and must be protected at all costs. Until it passes through the birth canal. Then the little bastard and the one who gave birth to them are on their own and deserve to die of their own poverty.



That's so true. Except if something happens that you become brain dead then they once again want to protect your life at all costs.



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28 May 2009, 10:42 am

Just an interesting observation...

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Is America's Health Care System the best or just the most expensive in the world?

Health care costs continue to rise in the US
The United States spends more on health care than any other country in the world and the health care costs continue to rise. Government figures show that in 2004 health care spending reached 1.9 trillion dollars, equaling 16 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product.

Joseph Quinlan, Chief Market Strategist for Bank of America, based in New York, says rising health care costs affect American households, as well as businesses and government. He says, "Most Americans get their health insurance from their employer. Not all of them, however. Large companies provide basic health care services. But what you see is more and more U.S. employees, the workers, spend more money out of their pocket to help cover their health care cost. So out-of-pocket expenses for the average American are rising tremendously. And then, don't forget, you've got 45 million Americans without any health insurance. They have fallen through the safety net, so to speak."

The United States spends more money per person on health care than any other country in the world, about $5,300 annually. In comparison, Switzerland spends about 35-hundred dollars per person per year, Japan about $2,000 and Turkey as little as $446 per person each year.

America's Expensive Health Care System

Colleen Grogan, Professor of Health Policy and Politics at the University of Chicago, says the primary reason for the high cost of American health care is that most medical services, materials, technologies and drugs are more expensive than in other industrialized countries.

"For example, Canada," says Professor Grogan. "You would think we would be perhaps closest to the prices in Canada. We are three times higher. The fees that are paid, the actual prices for procedures and what we pay to providers, are three times as high as in Canada."

Colleen Grogan says governments in other countries play a much stronger role in financing health care services and their citizens are obliged to help pay for it through taxes. In return, all are usually covered by national health insurance.


The United States provides similar systems, Medicare and Medicaid, but only for its elderly and low-income people. Working Americans are usually covered by employer-sponsored private insurances. The idea has been that privatizing insurance would spur market competition and decrease the prices, but analysts say the opposite has happened.


Some analysts blame doctors who are generally paid for individual services and thus have an incentive to perform too many procedures. But physicians, including Dr. Jay Lavigne, an obstetrician in rural, Virginia argue that they are forced to perform many preventive procedures to protect themselves against malpractice law suits, which are more common in the United States than in other countries. Dr. Lavigne says physicians have to pay increasingly higher malpractice insurance premiums and that in turn increases the cost of health care.

Malpractice Insurance Increases Health Care Cost

"We have to pay an incredible amount of money for malpractice insurance," says Dr. Lavigne. "And that's about one fifth of all the money that's taken in [i.e., earned] as a matter of fact. When I started to practice [medicine in 1985] it was about 30-thousand dollars a year. I still think 30-thousand [dollars] is a lot of money, but these days it's close to 100-thousand dollars a year. "

Dr. Lavigne says the use of expensive new technologies for better and faster diagnoses and treatment of diseases has also added to the rising cost of the U.S. health care in recent years. Proponents of the U.S. health care system have long argued that Americans may be paying the most, but that they also have access to the best and fastest health services in the world.

But some analysts call this is a myth. They say data for 30 countries of the
Patient receiving an MRI scan
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development show that the U.S. has fewer hospital beds and physicians per person than, for example, France, Australia, Italy and Austria. The University of Chicago's Colleen Grogan says many countries also outrank the U.S. in access to advanced medical technology. She says, "Here we are above the median for MRI [i.e., magnetic resonance imaging] units per million for example. So we have 8.2 MRI units per million population. The median is 5.5. But we are not the highest."

While some analysts argue that more beds and scanning units do not necessarily mean better health care, most agree that Americans are not getting the best value for the money.

The Impact of Health Care Costs


Jonathan Skinner, Professor of Economics and Family and Community Medicine at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, says the rising cost of health insurance is beginning to affect the U.S. economy. He says, "When [car maker] General Motors is spending more on health care than it spends on steel, then there's something wrong with the health care system.

Yet efforts to re-haul the system have failed, including President Harry Truman's initiative for a national health insurance system in the 1940s and President Clinton's health-care plan of 1993, which mandated coverage for everyone through regulated employer alliances with insurers and price caps. President Bush's plan includes creating special health savings plans, which would provide tax breaks for individuals and families and make them more responsible for their health care costs.


Economist Jonathan Skinner says the powerful health-care lobbies and Americans' suspicion of what many see as socialized medicine make a radical overhaul of the system difficult. But he says the increasing financial strain of health care spending on American businesses, government and families will make some change inevitable.


Gotta love capitalism, right?


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