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29 May 2009, 1:05 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... me=topNews

The police can now forcibly interrogate you without a lawyer present. Welcome to 1984, folks!



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29 May 2009, 6:11 am

Sadly, nothing new.

Police have always been able to approach a person after Miranda was invoked to see if they would waive their right to counsel and speak to them. If a person was not strong-willed enough to stay consistent, signing a waiver sealed their fate.

Yeah, you know the police keep doing this (badgering) until the person caves in, but the idea the court holds to is that if you can't stick to your choice, you're changing your mind.

I wonder if that opinion would hold if beatings and water boarding were used. :roll:



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29 May 2009, 11:58 am

and as a side note, its conservatives who call liberal judges activist judges yet this is clearly judges being acctivist from the bench.


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29 May 2009, 12:18 pm

cognito wrote:
and as a side note, its conservatives who call liberal judges activist judges yet this is clearly judges being acctivist from the bench.


Both liberals and conservatives judges can be judicial activists. Conservatives tend to be activist in constitutional issues, and liberals tend to be activist in social issues.



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29 May 2009, 12:23 pm

Jkid wrote:
cognito wrote:
and as a side note, its conservatives who call liberal judges activist judges yet this is clearly judges being acctivist from the bench.


Both liberals and conservatives judges can be judicial activists. Conservatives tend to be activist in constitutional issues, and liberals tend to be activist in social issues.
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that was my point, its the pot calling the kettle black


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30 May 2009, 12:40 pm

That's not right they need to stay with Miranda Rights. They never hurt anyone heck it told them basic rights they may not have known and weeds out the guilty from the innocent.


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31 May 2009, 11:05 pm

There really should be a mandatory high-school class to teach children their rights. Even without Miranda, you can still plead the 5th.

But yea, this is not right, and everyone on The Supreme Court voting to remove this fundamental right should be prosecuted. Let's call it treason.



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01 Jun 2009, 6:32 am

vibratetogether wrote:
There really should be a mandatory high-school class to teach children their rights. Even without Miranda, you can still plead the 5th.


I'll go farther and say the subject matter that every 1st year law school student is exposed to should be taught in high school.

Did you know there was a time in the USA (before state bar associations) that you were not considered a "college educated man" unless you knew the fundamentals of the law?

Contracts, Torts, Criminal Law, Constitutional Law, Property Law....these are the fundamentals you deal with every day of your life, and the ignorance of the average person in such matters keeps the legal profession filled with lots of business...and it puts the common man at the mercy of a handful of people.

There are "course outlines" for each of these topics that are easy to read and gives you the fundamentals you need to know.