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01 Apr 2009, 5:21 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The problem is that giving people the liberty to use drugs infringes on the liberties of others.


Does it really? How many of the current problems are caused not by the drug, but the circumstances of a highly profitable, but illegal and unregulated market?



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01 Apr 2009, 5:29 pm

John_Browning wrote:
The problem is that giving people the liberty to use drugs infringes on the liberties of others.


Possibly the most illogical statement I've ever read.



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01 Apr 2009, 8:00 pm

I think it's appropriate to avoid lumping marijuana together with far more harmful substances like heroin, crack, meth, and for that matter, alcohol and tobacco.

Considering marijuana as a separate issue more accurately reflects reality.


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03 Apr 2009, 7:33 pm

A few points regarding the legalization of marijuana.

1) Marijuana has relatively few health consequences such as are attributed to the consumption of alcohol, nicotine, and narcotics.
2) Marijuana lacks the addictive properties of heroin, cocaine, alcohol, and nicotine.
3) We are currently imprisoning a greater proportion of our population than did the Soviet Union during its existence.
4) None of this really matters because if Obama chose to make an issue of marijuana legalization, it would isolate him politically from most of his supporters. His agenda would stall, and his political opposition would have a built-in fundraiser for the next 4 years.
5) While the social consequences of marijuana criminalization are quite severe, they are not necessarily the most pressing issues facing the current administration. It's absurd to suppose it's going to receive any kind of serious priority before the upcoming mid-term elections.
6) I also think the current situation with marijuana is hilarious. It's illegal, whether or not you believe it should be, and everyone who is currently in the criminal justice system on charges related to marijuana knew that before they chose to hold, sell, buy, or consume it. Given it lack of addictive properties, avoiding criminal charges relating to marijuana should be as easy as choosing not to smoke or sell it. If you choose to engage in criminal activity and get caught, caveat emptor.
7) He's dismissive of the feasibility of legalizing marijuana, not of the merit of its argument. He can choose to shrug off an issue of middling importance now, or he can choose to make it a major issue and toss his political capital to the wind for something that will not pass either chamber in the legislature, will not create new jobs, and will give him no leverage for pursuing his stated agenda. I'd be dismissive of it too.



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04 Apr 2009, 12:13 am

vibratetogether wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Marijuana: One Cause of Schizophrenia

While it is very likely that other illicit drugs may cause some cases of schizophrenia, marijuana is by far the leading offender, perhaps in part due to it being the most popular and most heavily abused illicit drug. Marijuana causes temporary paranoid feelings in many users and mild perceptual hallucinations are common. However, the research evidence is extremely strong, proving beyond any reasonable doubt that marijuana causes a large number of cases of schizophrenia in the modern world. A number of studies have found marijuana has a stronger link to causing schizophrenia than other drugs. While some other causes of schizophrenia have decreased, e.g. brain injury and in utero infections, marijuana has made up the difference....

http://www.modern-psychiatry.com/marijuana2.htm


Completely irrelevant. Heroin isn't very good for you, but you should have the legal right to use that too. You should have the legal right to drink Drano if that's what you'd like to do. The point is the government (any government) has absolutely no right to tell any individual what they can and cannot put in (or take out) of their body.


That last bit of what you said reminded me of what Robert Nozick was saying. Bascly the state can't force you to do anything you don't want to, which means you can choose not to save someone whose life is in danger, you can choose not to wear a helmet when using a bike, you can sell your body, etc. ~.~ Anyways, go read whatever he was criticized for and come back to us. :o



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04 Apr 2009, 2:34 am

I notice that all this stuff in the "Find Something Wrong With Marijuana" competition is people saying, "Hey, maybe this is wrong with it," then you never hear about it again, then it's, "Hey, maybe that's wrong with it," and the same thing thing happens.

Essentially no doctor has any doubt that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer or that heavy alcohol use causes liver damage. There's no doubt because they see it all the time.

Millions of people all over the world have been smoking marijuana for dozens of years. If there was really anything significantly and consistently wrong with it, every doctor would know about it and by now there would be no doubt.

Obama's just another politician.


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07 Apr 2009, 3:08 am

As far as I remember (someone else already said this), he had previously only supported the idea of decriminalization of marijuana. He supported doctors medically prescribing marijuana. I don't think he's contradicted himself at all.

I think a lot of the problem is that because Obama is so different than anyone the US has ever had as president, people elevated him to a do-no-wrong, god-like status. He's still a president, and still in a very uniquely powerful position. Regardless, he's amazing in my opinion compared to most of the other schmucks that have run the US.

I mean really, did any of you expect that this guy was going to publicly support legalizing marijuana? Gimme a break. And I don't think he ever gave any impression of that before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA



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11 Apr 2009, 8:37 pm

Doesn't this happen every 4 years?

All sorts of things are said for the vote but how much of it actually comes to pass?



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11 Apr 2009, 10:37 pm

Medical marijuana is legal in 13 states, and the Federal Government has said it will quit raiding state licenced outlets.

That is a quarter of the country. It is being dealt with on a State level.

More important is grow your own is legal, no tax.

National legal, the tabacco companies would jump in, and it would get taxed, growing would be restricted, I like the way it is going.



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12 Apr 2009, 3:10 pm

If the government legalized marijuana, it would have to admit that it was wrong to criminalize it in the first place. If they did that, they would have to provide trillions of dollars in reparations to those incarcerated on marijuana possession charges. This would literally bankrupt the country.

This is the REAL reason why it hasn't happened. The change will have to be slow. Throughout history, enlightenment always shines through the fog of ignorance. Try to suppress it as they may, eventually the general population will get it. Give it time.