Anti-terror police threaten child with being shot.

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Well, at least I make an attempt at creating an intelligible post and even tackle a few of the salient points. Why don't you give it a try yourself?

I had to read carefully to realize that this was Britain and not some dictatorship.

If police officers trained in anti terror tactics are going to swoop in on every kid in the Kingdom who bad-mouths the royalty, or in America for speech against the President, then forget it, the terrorists have won by rule of paranoia.

I say it's past time for us to make a stand. One kid can easily be subdued by the government and by extension, the police. But take an entire generation's worth and they're not going to quell the rebellion easily.

I will say this, I'm not a fan of killing or warfare in general. But sometimes the road to revolution is paved with blood. We can't just stand by and let the government abuse us like this.

This boy started the Face-book page himself to protest about a specific action facing him and his compatriots. Kids start pages about things all the time. Having your youth centre removed is not a "leftist" issue, or a "Rightist" one. Cutting the centre isn't even a "Right" move. Its a very straightforward response to a situation that directly affects this kid. Even if it weren't, he's a schoolchild growing up in the Dave New World. He has every right to be concerned about cuts that affect his future education. Frankly its a f*****g miracle that there are any kids left in the education system that Labour so thoroughly murdered who give two s**ts about their future, or who can even spell "future." This kid should be lauded for his actions and political acumen, not threatened by gun-toting bastards. And its never "appropriate" to threaten a kid with being shot. All that they will do is create another person who hates and distrusts the very institution that exists (in theory) to protect them.

ROAD DAMAGE? LOL. Yes, there may be some minor damage to road surfaces from fires lit by protesters. It may even cost some money to put right. However, the vast snowfall and freeze that enveloped THE REST OF THE NATION will have caused more damage to road surfaces than any group of protesters could hope to achieve. Minor vandalism like this occurs in most big cities on a nightly basis. There are bins on fire here every other night. Somehow I don't think the poor citizens of London are going to see their Council Tax sky-rocket over some broken windows and scorch marks. Besides, maybe you should complain more about the amount of tax money you pour daily into the EU, which benefits nobody but EU ministers, as opposed to the education system, which benefits THIS nation. Hey, why don't you b***h about all those damned 5 year-olds who spend YOUR tax money playing with bricks and sand then eating jelly and icecream on YOUR tax money.. bunch of freeloading bastards eh? WE shouldn't spend a SINGLE tax-penny on educating our youth at all....

Do you not think that many people are protesting the sheer BS that spews forth from Westminster as much as the actual rise in fees? The fact that at least one part of the ConDem coalition got in to power based on (amongst others) its pre-election promises to NOT raise fees? By agreeing to then raise fees (regardless of the excuses about not actually "winning" the election and therefore not having to do what they promised) they immediately annoyed the s**t out of their voter base. Also, how many Daily Mail issues did you have to read before you decided that ALL students must be free-loading stoners? Lets just completely ignore all the people who work damn hard to achieve qualifications shall we? Lets just ignore the fact that a huge percentage of the "hard-working tax-paying" population comes home from work on a Friday and spends the rest of the weekend getting shitfaced. Knock it off, you sound ridiculous, and more so like you're just copy-pasting from a tabloid article.

I haven't seen a SINGLE report of any protesters attacking or manhandling a single innocent passerby (unless you count Charles and Camilla, who obviously represent the same establishment that people believe is currently oppressing them.) The reality is that the people being viciously attacked by hooligans are the innocent bystanders who were unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the thick blue line. You want "vicious hooligans", I present you with Her Majesties Police.

He's a kid -- a 12 year old -- and the rest of us don't give a toss what he thinks. 12 year olds shouldn't get tangled up in things they don't understand, and adults shouldn't encourage them. The closure may affect the kid, but he's unlikely to understand the full political context within which that's occuring. Though to be honest, judging by the leftwing rubbish I read here surrounding these cuts, including some of your rather childishly simplistic comments, I think a few adults are in the same position. It looks to me as if you're deliberately twisting what's happened to fit your own agenda. The police had a few words with the kid and just pointed out the reality of the situation -- something his parents and teachers should have done. Furthermore, I suspect the publicity this is getting reflects the political leanings of those parents and teachers.


No I don't think they are protesting against the BS from Westminster. Many of them would increase that BS judging by the number of Socialist Worker placards being waved about. And again you're twisting and misrepresenting things in your condemnation of the Liberal pre-election promise on tuition fees. Clearly that was made in relation to a different situation to that which exists now. At the time it was made it would have been unreasonable to assume that pledge would apply to a coalition where all sides have to make compromises. Given our country's economic situation at the time the coalition was formed I'd suggest the fact that they were prepared to ditch the policy for the national good reflects well on their judgment and character.

Because i find your "point" IN arguing for the summary beating of leftists aberrant ,cretinous, and facsistic. You are Peter Hitchens and i claim my five pounds. I Love Scargill by the way. Maggie maggie maggie BOOM BOOM BOOM

Children should be seen and not heard. They certainly should not speak out if they do not agree with matters that affect their lives. Gotcha.

Politicians who lie are showing good judgement and character. K.

Election pledges mean absolutely nothing. Righty-ho.

All protests against government are driven by the left wing, and never by people who simply do not wish to see higher education priced out of their reach. Pricing which is "for the national good".

And finally: We should all sit quietly and do as we are told, and let our "betters" decide what is good for us, and should we think to speak up against such things, its is only right that we should be beaten and punished, threatened and mistreated.

Are you a character from 1984? Or are you something more sinister, hiding behind dull-witted parroting of the party line?

You know, I wouldn't go using words like "cretinous" on the Marxist Revolution forum, or wherever it is you leftists get-together. Not very PC...

Yes, almost full marks there. If they've got a problem they discuss with parents. Kids get their own way too much these days, and that probably accounts in part for the behaviour of youngsters on that demonstration.


You are again misrepresenting the situation. I accept (as do those concerned) that it was a stupid thing to promise, but if you look at the bigger picture there was no deliberate attempt to deceive. And anyway, compared to the evil perpetrated by Brown and his henchmen it pales in to insignificance.


Red flags, Socialist Worker placards and frequent references to "Tory scum" kind of give the game away, don't you think? And again you misrepresent things in that it is not being priced out of anyones reach as the proposals currently allow for repayments to start when someone earns over £21k a year, and they stop repaying if they're not earning. Of course, nobody is forcing them to go to university.


If you stretch the definition of "protesting" to violence and disorder that also prevents others going about their business, then if you're beaten and mistreated by the police you deserve it.

In your delightful 19th century world, where the poor are merely a carpet to stop you getting your patent leather shoes muddied, did it ever occur to you that not everybody who disagrees with the current government is de facto a communist, subversive, or a Labour supporter? I happen to think that some of the worst years in this nations history occurred under Labour mismanagement, and that a greater bunch of self-serving, self-congratulating charlatans would be difficult to find this side of the Circles of Hell, or a Beer Hall meeting circa 1940. I also do not automatically believe that every act performed by the ConDem Coalition is in the best interest of the public good. I do not feel that a Labour government can capably run this nation. I also do not feel that the Conservatives can do it either. The Liberals were a ridiculous joke before the Coalition. Now they are just a morbid one.

Noticeably, a LOT of Liberal MPs felt that by voting WITH the conservatives, they would be betraying their promises and their voters. Its hardly the unanimous belief of the people IN the LibDem party that such a vote served the public good, or showed good judgement and character. In fact, by sticking to their promise, THOSE individuals have shown good character and judgement. Hell, even some Tories voted against it.

You repeatedly seem to be oblivious to the MAJORITY of protesters who behaved perfectly well and within the confines of the law, who were STILL struck and beaten and corralled and cavalry-charged. Is that treatment "deserved" as well? What about that poor chap who had just come from the National Gallery, gift bags and all, who got kettled simply for being in the wrong place? Did he deserve that? What about at G20, when a man who was not involved in any way with the protests was KILLED by the Police. His crime.. being nearby? Was his treatment not unduly harsh, and with merit? Assault is assault, and the Police are not above the law, no matter what they may think. Unprovoked attacks on peaceful citizens behaving in a lawful manner is NOT "deserved." Threatening CHILDREN is not either.

Neither is dragging disabled folk out of a wheelchair.

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My My this has become a nasty little debate...whether it is left or right, centric or even from mars...implying that an officer will shoot an unruly child in the course of a demostration is simply immoral. A child does not have the problem solving skills, nor the life experience to know how to handle a police state like situation. My only question is where is this kid's mother when the police was talking to him like that?

I dont think a 12 year old has any buisness protesting if they run the risk of getting shot. However their parents need to be doing something about that though.

Theoretically in this modern age, there should be no danger of a child being shot by police PERIOD. It shouldn't be threatened, implied, or happening, except as a rare and terrible accident.

The school saw fit to allow the interview to take place without parental consent which is a breach of trust in the first place. Parents allow their children to attend school on the understanding that the staff will protect children from danger, not expose them to threats, and certainly not let them take part in unofficial and unwarranted police interrogations without access to legal guidance.

I wonder what his parrents are going to do...is their any action they can take? I dont know the accountability laws in the UK

Can I just say, as someone who attended the G20 protests, that most of the damage caused at such events is by the riot police. They are completely separate from the Metropolitan police. The latter is actually quite lovely. I was right next to the barricades and when things started to get out of hand, a police officer warned me that riot police were on their way and that things may get violent, so that it would be a good idea for me and others to move more towards the back of the crowd.

Also, a fair amount of people who attend those things ARE drunk/high kids who are just there for a laugh.

HOWEVER, that being said, implying to harm a child who simply wants to protest an injustice being done to him and his peers is utterly f****d up. As are most of ascan's posts in this thread. Seriously? I keep hoping you're just a parody of a Tory dick with a Daily Mail subscription.

I get the unnerving impression that when Ascan watched the footage of a wheel-chair bound protester being dragged from his wheelchair across the floor by the police, he stood up and cheered hip hip huzzah, then had another brandy snifter in the smoking lounge before retiring to the library to read heartwarming accounts of poor people being dragged away and shot for being poor.