Time Canadian seal slaughter was stopped!

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21 Mar 2013, 7:09 am

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You're right of course. No human, animal or bird should have to endure such cruelty. We should always stand up for victims of inhumanity, whoever they may be.


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21 Mar 2013, 11:17 am

message to original poster, there are some very vocal wrong planetarians who like to make fun of those who care about animal rights. i was barred for a bit when trying to call them out. i rarely visit wp now.

don't know where you live but in the good ol' u.s.a. there are many states that have passed what are called 'animal enterprise protection acts'. it's a kill peta thing. these laws, in about 15 states or so, make it a crime to film or report on animal abuse at any business that involves animals. yes, you are reading that correctly. if canadian provinces pass the same legislation, no one will know about seal hunts. anyone who photographs or films it for publication will be going to jail for 10 or so years.

the fbi is looking for a guy who filmed and released animal abuse at a hog plant in kansas. kansas is leading the way in trying to stop anyone who cares about animals from doing something about it. it's all about money. and, of course, they're all 'good christians'.



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21 Mar 2013, 1:37 pm

Hi Danandlouie, I'm from South Africa. Our main problem here at present is the rhino poaching. Many vets and conservation people are in on it as it revolves around big sums of money too. So vast amounts of money are needed to fight this scourge as well.
I notice that so-named Christians make no fuss about these kind of things, preferring to reserve their venom for anything to do with gay matters. That occupies most of their attention, rather than child or animal abuse, mass murders and so on.

We should be much more evolved by now than trying to clamp down on animal rights whistle-blowers. Is it mainly the Republicans that are passing this kind of "legislation"?



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21 Mar 2013, 11:11 pm

i was able to spend a couple of months visiting kenya and tanzania and we happened on an elephant that had been killed for tusks. must have been an automatic weapon as there were so many holes with dried blood stains running from them. looked like they used a chain saw or ? to hack off the tusks. was a pretty terrible sight. i know the killing of rhino is even worse. easier to smuggle horn. i've been to vietnam and china and it's just a different world as far as animals.

all u.s. politicians take huge payouts from business so it is both democrats and republicans. washington has the best people money can buy. i had a lobbyist for the n.r.a. (national rifle association) laugh in my face once as he explained how the gun lobby would never allow any laws to be passed to help any type of animals. so, i have given up. there is no way to win victories for animals.

our president is just as bad. he once had his photo taken with a small female poodle for a book titled 'baby'. the poodle was rescued from a puppy mill and had to have one of her front legs removed because it had been wrenched at the elbow and that joint was destroyed. done on purpose. crippled dogs are less trouble. i've helped clean out puppy mills before. cried a lot. horrendous. back to the president. he promised that he would do what he could to stop these mills. the laws are in place. have been for 20 years. all it would take is a 30 second call to the secretary of agriculture, telling him to enforce the law, but he will not do it. oh, you probably don't know, in the usa, laws are generally a joke.

like i said, no hope. hope things are better in south africa. in east africa, the army will shoot poachers on sight. doubt if that's done in s. africa. too civilized. a shame.



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22 Mar 2013, 2:11 am

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i was barred for a bit when trying to call them out.


By "call them out", you mean "made physical threats". It's not like WP is hostile to the pro animal viewpoint, far from it, but there is a certain level of self control that is expected here. It's fine to be passionate about animal rights, it's not okay to threaten people who feel differently than you do.


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22 Mar 2013, 9:48 am

danandlouie wrote:
don't know where you live but in the good ol' u.s.a. there are many states that have passed what are called 'animal enterprise protection acts'. it's a kill peta thing. these laws, in about 15 states or so, make it a crime to film or report on animal abuse at any business that involves animals. yes, you are reading that correctly. if canadian provinces pass the same legislation, no one will know about seal hunts. anyone who photographs or films it for publication will be going to jail for 10 or so years.


That's both absurd and disgusting. The funny thing is, I have no particular beef with the whole seal clubbing business. But to restrict someone's right to simply report on it, or I guess something similar to it, since it is not applicable in Canada, is ridiculous. And bothers me personally much more than what may or may not be being done by Inuits or other Native groups in Canada.

From a Constitutional standpoint, it makes no sense to me. Hell, neo-Nazis can work out their bizarre sexual fetishes by parading around in public, and nobody has a right to stop them. If that counts as "free speech" and a "freedom to assemble," I'd assert the bar has been set pretty damn low. Certainly low enough for somebody to film the goings on in a slaughterhouse.

And from a practical standpoint, as well. As in, shouldn't the FBI being doing something a bit more important with their time? Like trying to, oh, I dunno, get some of the centimillionaire banksters who helped bring on the whole house collapse into orange jumpsuits and off doing the perp walk somewhere? After all, the FBI has had so much success in that area thus far. :roll:


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22 Mar 2013, 9:59 am

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Back when a hippy high school teacher showed the class a video of seal clubbing, I thought it odd that they didn't just use a small caliber rifle (.22LR) to put them down, as clubbing seemed to be counterproductive regarding the continued practice of such.

A single .22LR round is only like 10 cents when you buy in bulk, and it's humane when put in the brain.

The clubbing is said to be more humane; you don't miss the head.


Funny, I'd always thought a club was used so that no holes were made in the fur. Your explanation works for me, though.


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22 Mar 2013, 11:29 am

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Funny, I'd always thought a club was used so that no holes were made in the fur. Your explanation works for me, though.


It's illegal to hunt fur bearing seals (at least in Canada).

The primary reason is practical. The only shot that will instantly kill an animal is one that inflicts sufficient trauma on the brainstem. A shot that sufficiently damages the heart will kill in seconds, other shots can take longer, while the animal exsanguinates. It shot isn't accurate, and disables but doesn't instantly kill the seal, it may have sufficient time and mobility to reenter the water, where it will likely drown. This creates significant difficulties for remaining seals using that hole in the ice for breathing and for escape from predators.

By clubbing with a hakpik, and using proper technique, irreversible unconciousness occurrs. The animal loses all awareness, dies as humanely as possible and does not interfere with the activities of other seals in the pod.


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22 Mar 2013, 12:05 pm

original poster, nothing expresses the plight of animals in the usa more so than a film that's on you tube titled 'tim sappington murders horse on camera with message f**k you ara's.' this guy feels safe enough to do this because animals are considered nothing more than property in america. everyone who cares about animal rights should watch this even though it will make you cry.

this is the type of american that dox 47 and his pals like to protect.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:49 pm

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this is the type of american that dox 47 and his pals like to protect.


Far from it, my family has quite a history in animal rights, my maternal grandmother founded the Phoenix chapter of the ASPCA, lost her leg to a drunk driver while rescuing an injured dog on the side of the road, and is actually considered a saint by the ALF (a fact she would have detested in life). She personally took in all the abused animals that were too damaged to adopt out, and I grew up around them, seeing exactly what human cruelty to animals looks like.

What I don't like is people so blinded by their passions that they feel it's OK to commit crimes in furtherance of them, it's the exact mentality that leads to people bombing abortion clinics and vandalizing laboratories because they think the ends justify the means. I also don't like people who make assumptions.


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22 Mar 2013, 4:36 pm

Let's go clubbing.

I would rather shoot the seal than beat it to death but I wouldn't do it anyway because I want to pet a seal and play with it.



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23 Mar 2013, 6:41 pm

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Let's go clubbing.

I would rather shoot the seal than beat it to death but I wouldn't do it anyway because I want to pet a seal and play with it.

...And get your hand bit off. Those f***ers are brutal. They're not so cute when they have their fangs lodged firmly into your metacarpals.



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27 Mar 2013, 2:10 am

Stop Canada's killing of seals?

How about stop all so called "Civilized countries" from killing and eating all meat? No more beef, chicken or pork for anyone, because slaughter houses are truly inhumane, are they not? They kill animals en masse, so let us stop these savage bloody massacres once and for all.

How about seafood? Don't even go there. Fish, crustaceans, cephalopods... they are all obviously alive, and deserve to live! Choose life, at all costs.

Do not eat insects, because they are clearly living creatures as well, and they suffer too, do they not? If you pull the leg off beetle, does it not bleed? Suffering is intolerable. Insects are off limits.

Even strict vegetarianism depends on the mass death of plants. Save the leaves. Save the roots. Save the herbs. Definitely save the seeds, because they are the most innocent unborn creatures of the plant world. Do not kill our green-blooded fellow Earthlings. Just because they do not noticeably move like us, nor communicate like us, does not mean they do not have the right to life. Plants are truly alive as well, and they have feelings. Do not murder them. Let us not discriminate based on Kingdom Plantae.

All killing, any killing, is totally disgusting. We must protect all life on earth.

Let us eat rocks instead, because only rocks are not alive.. But then don't people say Mother Nature is also alive? So rocks are off limits too..?

How about not eating anything that will cause the death of any living creature, period.

Yes, let us not eat at all, to absolutely avoid any killing of any thing, of any kind.

That is true purity of cause. :P



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Stop Canada's killing of seals?

How about stop all so called "Civilized countries" from killing and eating all meat? No more beef, chicken or pork for anyone, because slaughter houses are truly inhumane, are they not? They kill animals en masse, so let us stop these savage bloody massacres once and for all.

How about seafood? Don't even go there. Fish, crustaceans, cephalopods... they are all obviously alive, and deserve to live! Choose life, at all costs.

Do not eat insects, because they are clearly living creatures as well, and they suffer too, do they not? If you pull the leg off beetle, does it not bleed? Suffering is intolerable. Insects are off limits.

Even strict vegetarianism depends on the mass death of plants. Save the leaves. Save the roots. Save the herbs. Definitely save the seeds, because they are the most innocent unborn creatures of the plant world. Do not kill our green-blooded fellow Earthlings. Just because they do not noticeably move like us, nor communicate like us, does not mean they do not have the right to life. Plants are truly alive as well, and they have feelings. Do not murder them. Let us not discriminate based on Kingdom Plantae.

All killing, any killing, is totally disgusting. We must protect all life on earth.

Let us eat rocks instead, because only rocks are not alive.. But then don't people say Mother Nature is also alive? So rocks are off limits too..?

How about not eating anything that will cause the death of any living creature, period.

Yes, let us not eat at all, to absolutely avoid any killing of any thing, of any kind.

That is true purity of cause. :P


Yes, unfortunately animals cannot make their own food, so we must eat others in order to survive. We cannot avoid the brutality of nature. And you do make a good point, MannyBoo!



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28 Mar 2013, 7:40 am

I have to agree with both Manny Boo and Dragoness that we can't totally avoid the brutality of nature in our efforts to survive. But I think that where we have a choice (e g Beauty without Cruelty) we could avoid wearing fur when there are perfectly good synthetic alternatives.
Testing involving animals is also unnecessary as the produlcts are ultimately to be used by people. Many people who have insufficient income, students and the like, would be happy to be paid to be used as guinea pigs!
I think when it comes to the meat/vegetarian/vegan thing, each person should follow their own conscience to decide what is acceptable for them to eat. I try to be vegetarian, but do eat fish, and very occasionally may eat meat. It's not a hard and fast rule but I prefer it for my health and digestion.
I have a sister, an aunt and an elderly female friend who are all vegetarians who eat fish however. I guess that makes them "piscatorians". :nemo:

Our track record at looking after the various species of animals and plants in nature, isn't very good. We can't turn back the clock for the dodo etc, but we should do what we can to preserve what's left.

(This has gone off topic a bit as seals are not endangered; however, I could not personally work in an abattoir or butchery, nor club seals!)