Texas jury rules - it's OK to kill escorts and prostitutes
While being robbed, it is also likely that your life is in danger.
There is no rule saying you can only punch a robber if you see a weapon, or that you should limit force to subdue them without harm.
People doing crime lose the legal protections generally applied to all.
Being declared an Outlaw did not mean a person had done crime, it was that they were now outside the normal legal protections. Wanted, Dead or Alive, meant bushwacking was OK. Any person at any time could kill them.
People in the act of doing crime get an instant version of this.
In cases where two people do crime together, and one gets killed by the person being robbed, the other is charged with murder, because their crime partner died as a result of their crime.
So the shooter is declared not guilty, and the way is open to charge the driver, who was there, got the money, with the death of his crime partner.
As the man said, "Pimping ain't easy."
Gotta say, its really elseway here. So we have many rules about self defense here and its pretty precise, what I am allowed to do and what not. So its always depending on the strenght of the opponents as example, but killing someone because of 150 $ would here be simply murder. I mean I kill a person, and I am not forced to kill that person (to prevent myself getting killed), so here in my country needlessly killing a human person out of fun is simply murder.
The other thing I was afraid when normal people loose their legal protection and people playing sheriff on their own, is simply that these people are not trained to do that. They lack knowledge about what is a crime and what not. So here at Wrongplanet were as example people that didnt even know, that an escort is not general prostitute. So if these people would hire an escort, and they dont know that escorts are no prostitues, and then there is no sex between the escort and him, then this men could believe the escort was stealing from him, only because of him not knowing whats an escort for. So this lack of knowledge can create many misunderstandings. And killing a person out of a misunderstanding is something you should void by all means.
I would be interested, how much the citizens themselves have influence on the changing of laws. Its simply, that these law seem pretty ancient for me, so its hard for me to believe that actual living people really want a law, that allows murdering because of 150 USD or such. Its simply sounds horrible for me to create so much hurt to relatives and family, only because a bunch of papers.
Breivic while in the act of shooting children, any other school shooter, is fair game for my deer rifle, from several blocks away where I am in no danger. He was being a danger to people I do not know.
In Texas, an Escort is a Hooker. What was being run was a Craigs List scam, offering what was commonly thought to be sex, and delivering conversation. Taking money might even be legal, but there are hazards.
As more facts emerge, he shot a tire, a bullet fragment hit her. He did not shoot her, did not intend to shoot her, which is why Murder One did not hold up. Assult, Manslaughter, was the charge that would have, but the DA wanted "The Big One."
When the police around here shoot someone six times in the head, they say they were trying to drive away, and could have driven sideways and run over me, so I was attacked. Standing in front of an auto, it does become a weapon.
I agree people should not be killed over small amounts of money, but it happens every day. Mostly they get killed by people doing crime.
I was holding what I thought to be criminals for the police to come sort this out, when they tried to run over me, is a defense. I could not be expected to get run over or shot before reacting.
There are a lot of legal views, but the best is summed up,
"It is better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six."
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Should people allow themselves to be robbed without a chance to stop the robbery?
Property requires labor. Labor requires time and life force neither of which can be replaced. Theft is a miniature form of killing.
ruveyn
No.
Should people allow themselves to be raped without a chance to stop the rape?
The whole idea of "Let the thief take what he wants" is too similar to the old "Let the rapist do what he wants" idea - neither of these address the issue that that committing a crime is wrong, and that crime victims should have every right and reason to defend themselves from assault, battery, theft and rape.
And if the criminal dies months later, who is to say that his intended victim is responsible?
No one with any reason to demand justice if they are ever attacked, I'd wager.
Should people allow themselves to be robbed without a chance to stop the robbery?
Property requires labor. Labor requires time and life force neither of which can be replaced. Theft is a miniature form of killing.
ruveyn
So ture. . . Minimum wage for breaking my back - I get robbed every day.
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Should people allow themselves to be robbed without a chance to stop the robbery?
Property requires labor. Labor requires time and life force neither of which can be replaced. Theft is a miniature form of killing.
ruveyn
Then isn't killing someone a gigantic form of killing?
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Well you may be French, but I still have to say you do not get out much. Try collecting from an Insurance Company, who will claim the loss of your left arm did not impair future earnings because you could do everything with your right.
Life, and all parts of life, are converted to money in the Courts and Congress every day.
I understand I have a right to sue the person who kills me for wrongful death, a Civil Action, and they have a right to appeal to the Supreme Court, and who ever has the most money for lawyers wins, in ten years or so.
I am just trying to avoid legal action, through Instant Karma.
It is not about money, when you jack me and I reach in my pocket, it is not money that comes out, and is handed to your insides, it is my opinion.
Now I have Freedom of Speech, and if Corporations can call bribes Free Speech, I can call objects entering your body Free Speech.
This applies in public places to strangers.
Your life has no value to me, because I do not hold an interest in it,
When it impairs my economic interest, such as robbing me, your life has a negetive value, in that my world would be better off without you.
Stabbing or shooting me so if I live I qualify for welfare and free medical services, is not compensation.
While the Police will give you free room and board, they will keep the money stolen from me, as evidence. As money has no record, it is known to vanish.
This System of Justice works for criminals, and other Police, Lawyers, Judges, Jail Contractors, but all the person robbed gets is being called to testify over and over, then again through appeals, then Parole Hearings.
In the interest of Justice, you must give your full legal name and address each time. This is part of the Public Record open to the criminal, and his friends and gang members, and without your showing up, his charges will be dropped.
So they know where and when you will be leaving home to go to court.
It is called The Criminal Justice System for a reason, it works for all the criminals involved. I see it as The Thieves Union.
Besides getting robbed by it, as a tax payer I am getting robbed twice.
Crime, and the prison system, is our main growth industry. It passed the cost of Schools years ago, now it costs more than medical care, and the unfunded pensions of all the Public Employees involved.
What they all have in common is they prey on those that work and own property. This is unsupportable.
It costs more to send someone to jail than to Harvard.
To preserve all of our property, the education of our children, and preserve the minority non criminal class, something else has to be done.
I look to tradition, Feed them to the lions.
Give everyone a Social Credit Card, bill them for costs, and when they hit some limit, part them out. That would take care of some problems, and preserve human life.
The popularity of Zombie movies is said to be a free expression of what to do with the living dead who only want to eat your brains. Reasonable force is not an issue.
If human life has a value, it has to be admitted that for some the value is much less than zero.
We get rid of the living dead, or they get rid of us, then the poor things will starve. The humane response is spay, nuter, adopt as slaves, or terminate.
The health education and welfare of any herd calls for culling.
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Just to throw in my 2 cents:
I am personally appalled by the entire situation. I feel that it was a wrong and excessive action to shoot someone for $150. It is also my opinion that laws which allow this to happen without severe consequences are unjust.
That being said, He was tried in a legal court of law, and found to be innocent based on LAW. While I am morally outraged, I feel that I cannot comment negatively on this case any further, as the legal process has been strictly adhered to.
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"Most" Americans?
You've never been robbed, have you?
A Liberal is a person who been arrested. A Conservative is a person who has been robbed.
I've been robbed. The perp is dead. Good riddance.
We shouldn't be surprised at this. Liberals are notorious for being generous with other people's money.
I've never been arrested, have been robbed, and treat other people's money (or property) as more valuable than my own. And I am a liberal.
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"Most" Americans?
You've never been robbed, have you?
A Liberal is a person who been arrested. A Conservative is a person who has been robbed.
I've been robbed. The perp is dead. Good riddance.
We shouldn't be surprised at this. Liberals are notorious for being generous with other people's money.
I've never been arrested, have been robbed, and treat other people's money (or property) as more valuable than my own. And I am a liberal.
Ditto.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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"Most" Americans?
You've never been robbed, have you?
A Liberal is a person who been arrested. A Conservative is a person who has been robbed.
I've been robbed. The perp is dead. Good riddance.
We shouldn't be surprised at this. Liberals are notorious for being generous with other people's money.
I have been mugged twice, had my car stolen twice, had my apartment broken into, and been detained by the police for 6 hours before they finally conceded that I had done nothing wrong. I have strong liberal leanings, despite the left being a little too extreme for me (same for the right). The second time I was mugged, I'm almost certain I would have been able to shove him in front of the passing bus and not get stabbed, but I personally feel that a human life is worth more than the contents of my wallet. Even if that human is using his life in a less than stellar way.
As for liberals being generous with other people's money, the same can be said for conservatives. The only real difference is what they do with other people's money.
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