Rotherham and pervasive gang child abuse in England

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Adamantium
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28 Aug 2014, 12:27 pm

Don't read this if stories about child abuse will upset you. I made this error and recommend that you not read it if you are disturbed by such terrible things.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28953549
I wish I could unread that story. I find this very upsetting and can't stop thinking about it.

What the hell is wrong with people? How can they do this? I don't want the world to have people like these men in it.

How can people trust each other when some people are like this?



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28 Aug 2014, 1:07 pm

What I don't understand is why adults suspecting abuse thought that saying anything would make them appear racist.


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28 Aug 2014, 1:08 pm

Indeed. But this kind of evil doesn't exist only within gangs. Check out the scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp#1 ... a_incident that U.S. defense contractor DynCorp International found itself in the late 1990s. In 2005, U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia questioned U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr2oQExxGmU http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... ript.shtml about the scandal.


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28 Aug 2014, 1:12 pm

LookingLost wrote:
What I don't understand is why adults suspecting abuse thought that saying anything would make them appear racist.


There is a culture of fear amongst organisations in the UK about saying or doing things that are deemed politically incorrect. This appears to be the crux of the problem in this case; those that were aware of the abuse didn't follow up because they feared being pilloried as being racists for singling out the Asians responsible for the abuse.


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28 Aug 2014, 3:04 pm

I think it's more complicated than this PC angle, because the police (not for the most part of Pakistani ethnicity) were often also abusers. When a young girl complained about being plied with drugs and alcohol and then abused by a group of men, they not only let the men go but charged the girl with underage drinking and taking drugs! They called the victims "slags." The attitude seemed to be pervasive misogyny--which has nothing to do with Asians.

Also implicit in the story is a social service/social work structure that is totally underfunded and inadequate to carry out their commission.

Considering the scandals in the Catholic Church over child abuse and the distorted institutional responses to that ghastly situation, I think that this whole "we didn't want to get involved because they were asian" angle is a way for people to avoid dealing with the real underlying cultural problems--not in Pakistani culture (though they are certainly there--tales of Pashtun tribal law around child abuse are chilling) but the root causes in English culture.



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28 Aug 2014, 3:54 pm

my personal view of police is very low. I believe they were bullies at school, and seek to continue that attitude within society. Being a police officer attracts self righteous bullies.

The police I've met through life are complete a***holes of people. What Adamantium fits my own experience of them.



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28 Aug 2014, 3:54 pm

I sort of agree. In their defense, I do think people were scared of getting into trouble for being viewed as racist.
But the 'please, no reason to make a fuss. I'm sure things'll sort themselves out if we don't speak about them' mentality is deeply ingrained into British culture. And German. And Austrian. and Japanese.
That's all the cultures I've personally encountered.
In the UK, things just appear so much more apparent, as it's economically weak, apart from the state-within-a-state-city of London, and has been downsizing its social institutions for 25 years now. ("there's no such thing as 'society'", remember?) Not a good situation if you still have so much stuff to work through from the time when you were ruling large parts of the world and enslaving people.


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28 Aug 2014, 4:28 pm

The latest news is suggesting another factor in addition to political correctness - the issue of police being given statistical targets and
the resulting obsession to consistently produce low crime figures,regardless of the bigger issue involved,i.e. upholding the law.
Political correctness in the UK has gone overboard with the introduction of 'equality training'. If each individual in the council and police force involved in this case had listened to their own conscience instead,it would instinctively have told them that although everyone should be treated equally in principle,there is a clear difference between right and wrong which must be recognised.


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30 Aug 2014, 12:53 pm

Perhaps I'm paranoid but since pedophiles inhabit all levels of society and all professions I wouldn't put it past there being pedos in positions of power who instruct their subordinates to look the other way on these types of things. They don't even have to be in upper levels...police are inherently powerful so beat cops have the discretion to arrest the victims instead of the perps. That reduces the girl's credibility down the line should she bring accusations against the perps at a later date, plus it reinforces the threats her perps make against her, for example "see even the police aren't going to help you". The things that happened in that town are truly disgusting and I agree with the person who said there is a level of misogyny to it too.



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07 Sep 2014, 3:57 pm

pluto wrote:
The latest news is suggesting another factor in addition to political correctness - the issue of police being given statistical targets and
the resulting obsession to consistently produce low crime figures,regardless of the bigger issue involved,i.e. upholding the law.
Political correctness in the UK has gone overboard with the introduction of 'equality training'. If each individual in the council and police force involved in this case had listened to their own conscience instead,it would instinctively have told them that although everyone should be treated equally in principle,there is a clear difference between right and wrong which must be recognised.


oh, right, I forgot that. same as in hospitals, where they have to fulfill a certain success-quota, so they prefer to treat easily cured patients over seriously ill patients, making their serious illness even more serious (at least, in the case of serious illnesses, the problem does go away usually, if you wait long enough .... ). Thanks Tony Blair for coming up with a way to get profit-orientation into state-funded healthcare. And police.


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