Flight Diverted over Unruly Passenger

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01 Sep 2015, 11:28 am

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An FBI Spokesperson said the plane was escorted; however the matter was determined to be a customer service issue and not terrorism related.
Incident between flight crew, passenger cause Germany-bound plane to divert to DIA

It sounds like the crew miss-reported the seriousness of the incident.


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Kneejerk reaction to some little thing I bet.
Passenger: Stewardess, I asked for a Sprite, not a Coke.
Stewardess: Sorry, sir, but I was sure you said Coke.
Passenger: I didn't stutter (a little too testily).

That stewardess (who has been programmed not to think) goes to the head stewardess (who has been programmed to think only a little) who then goes to the captain who is too interested in covering his ass to make an actual decision goes on the alarm and pandemonium reigns supreme: F-16's scrambled, emergency landing, flight delayed for a day, ALL passengers now pissed off and making demands, etc....

This is why I don't make a scene over anything in public even if it is warranted. You're only minutes or even seconds from having the cops set on you who won't evaluate they'll just arrest and send you up s**t creek without a paddle.

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you've clearly not read the article and yet you're commenting on it anyway.

Show me where it says I can't. :P
because it'd make you appear ignorant, but then that ship sailed a long time ago.

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it wasn't an angry comment from a passenger, a flight attendant got punched in the face.

Someone puts something on twitter about a lady punching a flight attendant but nothing on any news site about an arrest for assault or anything else certain. No one seems to have gotten this incident on video, either. Amazing since everyone carries a video campear on their person.

Even if there was an assault thats no reason to scramble F-16's or make an emergency landing. That whole thing had to have been very expensive.[/quote]
it is when the lady in question claimed to want to bring the plane down because they confiscated her cat.


http://abc7chicago.com/news/flight-diverted-after-passenger-becomes-unruly-over-cat/962253/ wrote:
A passenger said a woman was angry and making threats after the flight crew put her cat in a bathroom. The woman allegedly boarded with the animal in her purse and not in a proper pet carrier.

"She said that she was part of the mafia and that the mafia follows her around the world and that she was able to bring the plane down if that needed to be the case if she couldn't see her cat," said passenger Dashenka Giraldo.

The mafia thing is obviously BS.

This:
"The FBI says the woman is not facing charges."

Make a ruckus with threats like that on any airliner, punch a flight crew member, and cause (even if unwarranted) an F-16 escorted emergency landing and you're going to jail for something, probably on multiple charges.
It just doesn't work any other way.


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01 Sep 2015, 1:56 pm

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The mafia thing is obviously BS.

This:
"The FBI says the woman is not facing charges."

Make a ruckus with threats like that on any airliner, punch a flight crew member, and cause (even if unwarranted) an F-16 escorted emergency landing and you're going to jail for something, probably on multiple charges.
It just doesn't work any other way.
there's a reason the term "crazy cat lady" exists, so it's plausible. though you're right that there's no evidence of it aside from anecdotes. Also the fact that it's BS doesn't mean she didn't say it. Emotion can easily overwhelm reasonable thought.



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02 Sep 2015, 3:13 am

Fugu wrote:
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The mafia thing is obviously BS.

This:
"The FBI says the woman is not facing charges."

Make a ruckus with threats like that on any airliner, punch a flight crew member, and cause (even if unwarranted) an F-16 escorted emergency landing and you're going to jail for something, probably on multiple charges.
It just doesn't work any other way.
there's a reason the term "crazy cat lady" exists, so it's plausible. though you're right that there's no evidence of it aside from anecdotes. Also the fact that it's BS doesn't mean she didn't say it. Emotion can easily overwhelm reasonable thought.

Still doesn't justify the fighter escort and emergency landing.


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02 Sep 2015, 10:01 am

There is the possibility, too, that the relevant officer in command chose to scramble the jets because the diversion presented an opportunity to put pilots and crews through a real exercise. Even if the diversion didn't warrant a fighter escort, there is nothing wrong with putting your people through their paces.


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02 Sep 2015, 11:18 am

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There is the possibility, too, that the relevant officer in command chose to scramble the jets because the diversion presented an opportunity to put pilots and crews through a real exercise. Even if the diversion didn't warrant a fighter escort, there is nothing wrong with putting your people through their paces.


Yes, but they could have done that drill using a military aircraft (like a tanker or cargo plane) to practice on. That way it would escape public scrutiny.

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03 Sep 2015, 7:34 am

OK as the OP, here are some random thoughts generated from the responses in this thread:

There could be some training value for fighter jets to respond, but really that is an expensive exercise.

Maybe like sometimes people getting lost or injured for their own stupidness are having to pay for the search and rescue costs, maybe unruly passengers should have to pay for these responses?

I can see there being a protocol to responding to "out of control" flight issues, suspected terrorist takeovers, but would hope Airplane captains would have different "buttons" for customer unruly versus possible hijacker?

So even if it is a terrorist hijacker, the fighter jet looking menacing outside the hijacked plane is "saying" to the bad guys, (other than in movies, I don't think the fighter pilots can actually talk to the hijackers) stop doing that or else we will kill you and everyone aboard?

So its a better option to kill 4-500 people in the plane as opposed to letting it fly into a targeted building? There is some logic there. But still the terrorists have succeeded in creating terror.



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03 Sep 2015, 12:08 pm

chapstan wrote:
I can see there being a protocol to responding to "out of control" flight issues, suspected terrorist takeovers, but would hope Airplane captains would have different "buttons" for customer unruly versus possible hijacker?
That's assuming they are even allowed such latitude to make and act on those distinctions. This is the age of effectively not thinking yet still calling it critical thinking.

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So even if it is a terrorist hijacker, the fighter jet looking menacing outside the hijacked plane is "saying" to the bad guys, (other than in movies, I don't think the fighter pilots can actually talk to the hijackers) stop doing that or else we will kill you and everyone aboard? Probably use the International Air Distress (IAD) frequency.

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So its a better option to kill 4-500 people in the plane as opposed to letting it fly into a targeted building? There is some logic there. But still the terrorists have succeeded in creating terror.

I would say so but in reality whoever (or thier agency) made the decision to put an AIM-120 into an airliner full of civilian passengers stands a chance to be crucified when they start showing pictures of the faces of the deceased and the peaceniks start bawling about how there could have been a better way (without offering one, of course) of handling the situation. Or insisting that they can't prove the terrorists actually inrtended to kamikaze the airliner into a building.

Of course, if the decision is made not to shoot down the airliner that person (or thier agency) that made the decision will be crucified for not exercising damage control by shooting down the airliner.
It's a hell of a dilemma to be saddled with.


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03 Sep 2015, 12:24 pm

Raptor wrote:
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there's a reason the term "crazy cat lady" exists, so it's plausible. though you're right that there's no evidence of it aside from anecdotes. Also the fact that it's BS doesn't mean she didn't say it. Emotion can easily overwhelm reasonable thought.

Still doesn't justify the fighter escort and emergency landing.
It doesn't in hindsight, but I think that it would be vastly more unacceptable to have an actual threat let by without intervention than a perceived threat be met with overwhelming force.



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03 Sep 2015, 12:26 pm

Crazy cat ladies can't help it,blame the parasite.lol
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03 Sep 2015, 12:40 pm

Fugu wrote:
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there's a reason the term "crazy cat lady" exists, so it's plausible. though you're right that there's no evidence of it aside from anecdotes. Also the fact that it's BS doesn't mean she didn't say it. Emotion can easily overwhelm reasonable thought.

Still doesn't justify the fighter escort and emergency landing.
It doesn't in hindsight, but I think that it would be vastly more unacceptable to have an actual threat let by without intervention than a perceived threat be met with overwhelming force.


It would take very little to provide overwhelming force when dealing with one (1) crazy cat lady. Using a Mk-84 bomb to take out an ant isn't overwhelming force or even showmanship, it's just stupidity.

BTW, why do you continue to respond to someone you are convinced is a troll? Don't you know the staff of life for trolls is attention? By your own accusations YOU are a TROLL ENABLER! :shameonyou:


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03 Sep 2015, 1:30 pm

If there are five crazy cat ladies,and they have released cats on the aircraft,then that's different.Just image the havoc unleashed,THAT'S when you need an escort. :lol: If she had just one cat she was traveling light,most have a minimum of three.Don't forget the threat of kittens.


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