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By their flawed logic, not only would ban fire extinguishers, but also smoke detectors, burglar alarms, seat belts and a host of other things because they don't always work.
And I still say that gun-free zone = free-fire zone. I find it ironic that the anti-gun crowd that trotted out this subject started spouting off when they had little or no information. " Aha, here's a chance to push our agenda".

Ah yes; when all else fails resort to the sage wisdom of a comedian. I have absolutely no use for any comedian that feels obligated to enlighten me on anything. Comedians are supposed to bring comedy to the stage, not not political and/or philosophical indoctrination seasoned with obvious thinly veiled anger.

To sum it up thus far all you've done is try to tell us that CCW is a fail based on one case. Then to add insult to injury try to back it up with a comedy act (to use the term loosely) with some obnoxious Australian giving his 2 cents worth.
What's next?



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I just love it when entertainers spout off on subjects that they know no more about then we do, and then talk like they're some kind of expert. Especially when they are foreigners.

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They tastelessly do that every time there is a shooting.
On the last shooting that was in S. Carolina one of the first few posts in the thread on that was "NRA terrorists strike again".
We've been having this battle here ever since I've been on WP (a long time) and do date none of them has had a valid argument to bring to the table.

It seems to be thier default statement about gun control:
"But they banned guns in Northern Slobovia and no one has died there since" or other feeble words to that effect.

I can only surmise that they are not very worldly and/or have done no travel outside the US if they do not realise the US is not like the rest of the world.

Oi! steady on mate! or I'll have yers....

Yeah, their reason was, they knew that SWAT was on the way, and they didn't want to be mistaken for the bad guy.

Which is what most of you CCW people don't even think about. When you are in a public place and some maniac pulls out a gun and starts shooting people, so you pull out your gun and shoot the perpetrator. Then the cops come through the door and see bodies all over the floor and you standing there with a gun, you are finished. They are not going to say "freeze" or "drop it". They are just going to open fire and not stop until you are dead.

Wow, calm down. Sounds like the comedian hit a nerve with you. Jim Jefferies is an internationally famous comedian. Somebody is finding him funny.

I don't think the problem is guns, or gun rights. The problem are the gun fetishists who will show up when the parents of children murdered in gun massacres are asking why there is such unlimited access to guns, and said fetishists will shout: "because it's my right!" Or worse, publicly proclaim the whole shooting was just a false flag operation, with the sobbing parents only being actors. Or they'll say equally cruel and stupid things about how their gun rights are more important than the pain felt by the grieving parents. Let it be remembered, Nancy Lanza was a gun nut, as was the mother of the lunatic who shot up the community college in Oregon. There is nothing wrong with collecting guns, and either hunting or target shooting, but there is something wrong with somebody thinking they have to arm themselves to overthrow the government because of gay marriage, or universal healthcare, or to bring about Christ's second coming. There is something wrong with someone like NRA president Wayne LaPiere who sits masturbating over guns and ammo. It was in such an environment that shooters like Adam Lanza were created. And no, I'm not saying the monster he or the community college shooter emerged as would have been created in a household where a normal family appreciates shooting and hunting. Rather, it's in a family unit where dysfunction is the rule, and the only glue holding them together is the notion that bearings arms is a sacrosanct right without limitations. In my humble opinion, it should be the sane gun owners who take a stand against the lunatics who have taken over the gun rights movement, because they end up being lumped in with the nuts who probably see guns as sexual objects.

I think the "nerve" you hit is the fact that this is at least the third time this tired routine has been posted here as if it were something profound, and both myself and Raptor are tired of debunking the same BS over and over again; I can't speak for him, but it makes me a tad salty.

1st time:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=266478

2nd time:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=277150

It may have even been brought up in a few other threads, suffice it to say that it's pretty stale by this point.

First off; I seriously doubt you know what we CCW people think about.

We have this saying: "When seconds count the police are only minutes away."
Translated: The cops don't just magically appear in time of crisis. It WILL take at least several minutes for a SWAT response. So if you are in the building in close proximity to the shooter and he's working his way through, you ARE on your own. There'll be plenty of time to re-holster and have your gun out of sight long before SWAT shows up.

From the video:
" We were quite a distance from the actual building where it was happening and it could have opened us up to be potential targets ourselves and , you know, not knowing where SWAT was on their response time. They wouldn’t have known who we were and if we had our guns ready to shoot they could think we were the bad guys."

I can't think of any reason at that point to go "quite a distance" to do what someone else already there should be doing. He assessed the situation and came to a logical conclusion.

I carry a piece to protect myself and (maybe) those in my immediate proximity ( a few yards). I won't open myself up to potential criminal and civil liabilities by going out of my way to get into a gun battle. It's someone else's fight if it's not going on close to me.
I don’t actually see very many others that carry for defense having much of a different mindset. Unlike yourself, I actually do know a lot of those people.

Gee, that was easy.

So for your next act what'll it be?
• By killing someone, even in self defense, you're depriving your victim of their right to due process.

• You are only a novice and no match for a skilled gunman like most spree shooters.

• If only we had access to free healthcare and a guaranteed minimum income no one would ever need a gun because we'd ALL be happy and healthy.

• Raptor is a troll (or a douchebag, or a Nazi).

• Guns are just icky.


I’m a nerve hitter not a hitee. Just look at my posting history in PPR and see the trail of butthut in my wake.

Barack Hussein Obama is internationally famous, too, but that doesn’t mean everyone thinks his s**t is chocolate ice-cream. Jeffries is not what I’m looking for in comedy (i.e. actual laughter) even if he never brought the topic of guns up.

You are not the first to resort to use that particular comedian’s rather lame act in an ill-fated attempt to make a point.
Really, I’ve been at this for so long I could just go back to all these threads, copy and paste my past responses (sometimes several iterations of the same thing) to a rather long word document, then just plug them into future posts.

Nothing you’ve said or will say hasn’t already been said when it comes to this topic and on one on your side of this age old debate has ever made a valid point.

And so it goes.

How about virtually every mass shooting that occurred in the last 20 years? When I say "completely banned" I mean that civilians are generally prohibited from carrying guns, even with a concealed carry permit. Almost all schools and universities are "gun free zones." A "gun free zone" sign never has, and will never, prevent a mass shooting--it will only leave law abiding people helpless against the armed criminal.

The very last mass shooting we had was the Port Arthur massacre in 1996. Nine-teen ninety six!! ! You, on the other hand, seem to have one every week! Prior to the ban we were headed for a situation that, had the ban not been implemented, would have resulted in Australia becoming more like the U.S. '...trading freedom for safety' - false dichotomy fallacy. Australia IS a free country, and I know this because I have lived here long enough now (45 years), and we are free in spite of the fact that we don't allow every lunatic who wants one to buy a gun. There is NO correlation between gun ownership and freedom.

Sure, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people', BUT... people with guns kill more people, and they do so more efficiently, than those who don't use them. Guns are made for one purpose only, unlike a knife, and that is to kill. They therefore serve no useful purpose at all.

So true, every word.

Yes of course. The streets run red with blood over here. I've been shot several times and have died on three of those occasions. I have shot many people myself. We live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval.

Yep, that's about all the rebuttal your reply is worth.

Next.

Well, when you can't argue with the facts...