Trump a liar again: "Pocahontas" really is Native American
21 Oct 2018, 8:45 am
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Racism racism racism racism you say? The insane woman should be removed from any position of power. She's a proven liar. Using race to try and advance her career when she isn't even part of that race is completely insane.
Do you know anything about Warren's fight against Wall Street on behalf of ordinary Americans? This one thing about her - whether she's a Native American or not - is being blown out of proportion by the Oligarchs who want to crush ordinary people under foot of unregulated capitalism.
I would agree with you if she was genuinely doing that. She's an opportunist. And now the Republicans have a free shot at her for her lying. We all need to stop relying on politicians. They are all corporate puppets.
What did she lie about?
She claimed to be Native American and a "woman of colour".
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21 Oct 2018, 10:04 am
kokopelli wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
I am 25% Blackfoot. However regarding Warren, the Cherokee nation determined some time ago that you must have at least 1/16th Cherokee blood to count as eastern band Cherokee. http://www.cherokeemuseum.org/learn/faq#q10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
That is to be a member of their tribe.
However, isn't she from Oklahoma? If she can document her descent from someone on the Dawes rolls, I belive that she is eligible to join regardless of her blood quantum.
Correct.My counselor has tribal membership and her new baby has received his card even though his father is 100% European descent and the child would have less than a 1/4 Native blood.
Several years back I was in the Cherokee Nation and stopped at a convenience store , the clerk noticed the t-shirt I was wearing that has a Native quote from Red Cloud,”They made us many promises but they kept only one.They promised to take our land-and they did”.
The clerk got excited about it and wanted me to help him open a casino.Not sure how I could help him with that haha.Said he has the money,just needs me to make it legal,Says”it’s the only way to get back at the white people.You won’t get your land back,but take you can take their money.”
Another employee came up and agreed, they were both from India and really wanting a casino permit.Then a repair man came in and started fooling with a machine. The store owner said “Look he’s white, you can take his money”.Then the repair man nervously looks at all of us staring and laughing at him.Hilarious.Laughed all the way to the truck.
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21 Oct 2018, 11:29 am
Aniihya wrote:
I am 25% Blackfoot. However regarding Warren, the Cherokee nation determined some time ago that you must have at least 1/16th Cherokee blood to count as eastern band Cherokee. http://www.cherokeemuseum.org/learn/faq#q10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
Right now, but what about 100 years from now, it will need to be 1/64 or they will lose members.
When do you stop being "Native American" and be what the other 99.xx% of you is?
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21 Oct 2018, 12:31 pm
Misslizard wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
Aniihya wrote:
I am 25% Blackfoot. However regarding Warren, the Cherokee nation determined some time ago that you must have at least 1/16th Cherokee blood to count as eastern band Cherokee. http://www.cherokeemuseum.org/learn/faq#q10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
That is to be a member of their tribe.
However, isn't she from Oklahoma? If she can document her descent from someone on the Dawes rolls, I belive that she is eligible to join regardless of her blood quantum.
Correct.My counselor has tribal membership and her new baby has received his card even though his father is 100% European descent and the child would have less than a 1/4 Native blood.
Several years back I was in the Cherokee Nation and stopped at a convenience store , the clerk noticed the t-shirt I was wearing that has a Native quote from Red Cloud,”They made us many promises but they kept only one.They promised to take our land-and they did”.
The clerk got excited about it and wanted me to help him open a casino.Not sure how I could help him with that haha.Said he has the money,just needs me to make it legal,Says”it’s the only way to get back at the white people.You won’t get your land back,but take you can take their money.”
Another employee came up and agreed, they were both from India and really wanting a casino permit.Then a repair man came in and started fooling with a machine. The store owner said “Look he’s white, you can take his money”.Then the repair man nervously looks at all of us staring and laughing at him.Hilarious.Laughed all the way to the truck.
In my state of Michigan, adult Saginaw-Chippewa Indian members get $3,120/month ( $1,560 biweekly) from casino revenue.
https://www.themorningsun.com/news/trib ... c31d1.html
That's $40, 560/year (26 x $1560) from casino revenue just for being in the tribe. WOW!
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21 Oct 2018, 1:52 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Racism racism racism racism you say? The insane woman should be removed from any position of power. She's a proven liar. Using race to try and advance her career when she isn't even part of that race is completely insane.
Do you know anything about Warren's fight against Wall Street on behalf of ordinary Americans? This one thing about her - whether she's a Native American or not - is being blown out of proportion by the Oligarchs who want to crush ordinary people under foot of unregulated capitalism.
I would agree with you if she was genuinely doing that. She's an opportunist. And now the Republicans have a free shot at her for her lying. We all need to stop relying on politicians. They are all corporate puppets.
What did she lie about?
She claimed to be Native American and a "woman of colour".
She did claim to be of Native American descent as part of her heritage. The DNA test certainly backs that claim up (something like 99% probability of being correct).
Precisely where did she claim to be a "woman of colour"?
21 Oct 2018, 9:42 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
21 Oct 2018, 9:49 pm
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Racism racism racism racism you say? The insane woman should be removed from any position of power. She's a proven liar. Using race to try and advance her career when she isn't even part of that race is completely insane.
Do you know anything about Warren's fight against Wall Street on behalf of ordinary Americans? This one thing about her - whether she's a Native American or not - is being blown out of proportion by the Oligarchs who want to crush ordinary people under foot of unregulated capitalism.
I would agree with you if she was genuinely doing that. She's an opportunist. And now the Republicans have a free shot at her for her lying. We all need to stop relying on politicians. They are all corporate puppets.
What did she lie about?
She claimed to be Native American and a "woman of colour".
She did claim to be of Native American descent as part of her heritage. The DNA test certainly backs that claim up (something like 99% probability of being correct).
Precisely where did she claim to be a "woman of colour"?
We're all part something based on our heritage. If traced far enough back we all have apes as ancestors.
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21 Oct 2018, 10:40 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
No, Powell said Democrats were obsessed with race, so I told him why.
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21 Oct 2018, 11:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
No, Powell said Democrats were obsessed with race, so I told him why.
It seems like democrats augment, fabricate and perpetrate racism to exploit it as a political tool.
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22 Oct 2018, 12:13 am
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
No, Powell said Democrats were obsessed with race, so I told him why.
It seems like democrats augment, fabricate and perpetrate racism to exploit it as a political tool.
There's nothing fabricated, augmented, or perpetrated about voter suppression, or cops assaulting and killing African Americans.
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22 Oct 2018, 12:46 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
No, Powell said Democrats were obsessed with race, so I told him why.
It seems like democrats augment, fabricate and perpetrate racism to exploit it as a political tool.
There's nothing fabricated, augmented, or perpetrated about voter suppression, or cops assaulting and killing African Americans.
Some things also seem capitalized on. As for other things it seems they're either twisted or blown out of proportion.
Voter suppression seems to be the idea that there are lage numers of black people living in rural areas too remote for them to be able to possess a driver's license or state id. But all the rural toohless redneck racist trump supporters are okay because they all have hunting licenses.
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22 Oct 2018, 12:55 am
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is absurd for someone who could be 1250/1 Native American to claim they are a "woman of colour". The Democrats are obsessed by race.
Only because the Republicans deny racism wherever it exists, yet has proven to be reactionary when it comes to reversing civil rights and supporting voter suppression based on race. And no, the so called reverse racism that Republicans spout off about doesn't count.
Warren's situation has nothing to do with racism. That card gets so overplayed it's losing any significance.
No, Powell said Democrats were obsessed with race, so I told him why.
It seems like democrats augment, fabricate and perpetrate racism to exploit it as a political tool.
There's nothing fabricated, augmented, or perpetrated about voter suppression, or cops assaulting and killing African Americans.
Some things also seem capitalized on. As for other things it seems they're either twisted or blown out of proportion.
Voter suppression seems to be the idea that there are lage numers of black people living in rural areas too remote for them to be able to possess a driver's license or state id. But all the rural toohless redneck racist trump supporters are okay because they all have hunting licenses.
Also when licencing offices and polling places are closed down in predominately black areas. Also when it's mostly blacks purged from the voting rolls for slight inconsistencies with state information as in Mississippi. Or when predominately black ex felons are denied their voting rights as in Florida. Or as when Native Americans are taken off the voting rolls because they have post offices boxes instead of street residences on their voting information. So no, nothing is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I don't see why this isn't being proclaimed from the rooftops.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
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22 Oct 2018, 1:11 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Also when licencing offices and polling places are closed down in predominately black areas. Also when it's mostly blacks purged from the voting rolls for slight inconsistencies with state information as in Mississippi. Or when predominately black ex felons are denied their voting rights as in Florida. Or as when Native Americans are taken off the voting rolls because they have post offices boxes instead of street residences on their voting information. So no, nothing is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I don't see why this isn't being proclaimed from the rooftops.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
So how many people are being kept from voting?
What's the projected deficit in votes compared to the 2010 and 2014 midterms?
I figure if this is an insidious voter suppression plot the numbers must be significantly high.
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22 Oct 2018, 1:26 am
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Also when licencing offices and polling places are closed down in predominately black areas. Also when it's mostly blacks purged from the voting rolls for slight inconsistencies with state information as in Mississippi. Or when predominately black ex felons are denied their voting rights as in Florida. Or as when Native Americans are taken off the voting rolls because they have post offices boxes instead of street residences on their voting information. So no, nothing is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I don't see why this isn't being proclaimed from the rooftops.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
I figure if this is an insidious voter suppression plot the numbers must be pretty high.
So how many people are being kept from voting?
Cumulatively, it's at the very least into the hundreds of thousands, if not higher. It's all for the sake for the pretext of voter fraud - which doesn't exist in any large numbers.
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22 Oct 2018, 1:27 am
Tim_Tex wrote:
It should be noted that Warren is part Cherokee, the real Pocahontas was not.
I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself.
I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself.
Warren claims to b have had a Cherokee ancestor. An as a representative of Cherokee nation had pointe out, the test she took did not determine that she was decescenent from a member of the Cherokee nation, and that even if she was, a dna test does not qualify her as a member of the Cherokee nation.
22 Oct 2018, 2:04 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Also when licencing offices and polling places are closed down in predominately black areas. Also when it's mostly blacks purged from the voting rolls for slight inconsistencies with state information as in Mississippi. Or when predominately black ex felons are denied their voting rights as in Florida. Or as when Native Americans are taken off the voting rolls because they have post offices boxes instead of street residences on their voting information. So no, nothing is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I don't see why this isn't being proclaimed from the rooftops.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.
I figure if this is an insidious voter suppression plot the numbers must be pretty high.
So how many people are being kept from voting?
Cumulatively, it's at the very least into the hundreds of thousands, if not higher. It's all for the sake for the pretext of voter fraud - which doesn't exist in any large numbers.
What's the estimated deficit in democrat votes compared to the 2010 and 2014 midterms because of this?
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