Trump wants to deport people here for medical reasons.

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And, that's all we really can do. And, I'm going to add a caveat. It's not just the hand we're dealt but the hand we think we're dealt with b/c we may not fully understand the dealt hand.

But, the thing is though ppl have different ideas of what is unforeseeable and reasonable. Example, the millennial are getting flack for student loans and being entitled. I disagree with most ppl on that.

It's too expensive for me to be caught up in that way of thinking. It does not serve me.

What did serve me was having no idea that the hand I was dealt was a sh***y one. I did not know I should have failed, therefore I didn't. I played that sh***y hand for all I was worth and I'll be damned if I didn't break even.

It's called setting up a straw man.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

I pretty much repeated what you said except that I replaced the word responsibility with the word justice.

Millennials were generally told to go to college and get student loans if they had to. Yet, now it's all millennials' fault for making that choice, when all their authority figures were telling them to make it. Now those authority figures don't want to accept responsibility for what they taught their children.

I get the feeling though that play the hand you're dealt is meant to mean, only work on yourself and don't ever try to change the system or the way things are done. It seems like it's a conservative way of looking at the world.

To me, playing the hand you're dealt may also include trying to change the system.

To be honest I do not really know what a librarian is. Like I said my thinking is not based on being indoctrinated into a political party. And I do not "reject both the idea that both determinism and free will can co-exist simultaneously and they have the idea that we have free will over determinism".

I am simply talking about when someone makes a bad choice when they could have made a good one. Or someone is in a situation that they would not have been in if they had acted responsibly. In other words their irresponsibility has a lot or everything to do with the situation they are in. Nothing and no one put them in that situation outside of irresponsibility, or a poor choice over a good one when a good one was readily available. Or the right way to go about something required more effort than they were willing to put into it. Able to put in the effort but unwilling of their own volition.

And if that is libertarian philosophy then that is a coincidence since I have never studied libertarian philosophy that I am aware of.

There are things you can control, and things you can't. Some people choose to focus on the things they can control, others on the things they can't.

Some people are so unfortunate that the things they can't control make their lives very confined. For the vast majority this is not true.

Libertarians prioritize freedom over all other things. The motto of a libertarian is "Do not harm others, then do whatever you want." The other side of that is: "You were free to make the choices, now you're free to deal with the consequences." Libertarians are characterized by a devotion to free-market principles and opposition to government intervention.

The Libertarian platform consists of:

1) For free market economics
2) For freedom on social issues such as the ability of gays to marry, the ability of women to have abortion, and the ability of adults to use drugs recreationally
3) Against government constraints on most things such as speech, religion, immigration, gun use
4) Against government intervention in social outcomes as this interferes with free markets, which leads to individual results

In its extreme like most political philosophies, libertarianism is impractical. I count myself as a moderate libertarian, who believe in general the above things, but that a single principle cannot be applied to all cases and achieve desirable results.

I would say I am okay with those things in general. But that does not mean I am going to sign up as any version of a libertarian or that I wear any such label.

When I was playing the hand I was dealt, I didn't know it wasn't a good one. The only thing I knew about myself at that time for sure was that I had not so great parents and ADHD. That didn't seem a barrier to anything because my Grandmother had a huge hand in raising me, she found ways around my ND and I got where I needed to be. I just thought I was 'hyper.' It's only been later in life that I found out about the ASD and now it's simply a matter of finding a way to make it through 'their' ( my monitoring program, IPN ) 18 mos worth of work monitoring and I'll be done with every f'ed up decision I made as a result of addiction.

So, perhaps it seems mean to you, but to me there's very little thought behind my response of 'BS' when someone tells me I should ask for a better hand. I've said this before, I have no problem with others fighting for change. Just leave me out of it, I'm okay with my obstacles. It's made life interesting and rewarding.

In a human society to function, sympathy and empathy are a necessity. Individualism and personal responsibility are also necessary, but can't get a person through life on their own.

In the US, we arbitrarily decided that 18 years old is the age to hold people responsible for student loan contracts.

Amidst the crazed Trump-bashing you seem to have lost sight of the fact that America has national borders for a reason, like any other country, and the inference that the President is picking out those with medical issues is just insane.

The issue is more to do with the fact that some come to America with medical issues, with the objective/aim of getting treatment and then not paying their way.

Presumably you'd have the borders just wide open @LoveNotHate? But I wonder who'd be complaining when it's your neighbourhood or family that is facing crime and unemployment as a result.

Ezra, but the assumption you're working under is that they could have done anything different then what they actually did. Ya, of course one should not do things like illicit drugs. But, even then I still have issues with the idea of choice in this case. Ya, it's a choice but what conditions were they working under that led someone to make the choice to do drugs?

As a teen the urge to belong and feel accepted are extremely strong motivators for drug use. A teen's brain is supposedly still developing and the brain is supposedly not fully developed until the mid 20's or so.(I have questions about this but I digress) What is the likelihood that the teen under the environment they're working under plus their under-developed brain like going to school with their peers that they will do drugs vs won't do drugs. Even at 18-21. Even car insurance companies consider the younger adult age bracket as high risk. Young adults get higher premiums.

LoveNotHate, you did say that and I quote "In the US, we arbitrarily decided that 18 years old is the age to hold people responsible for student loan contracts" yet these younger adults with still developing brains was expected to make complicated decisions that would affect their future. And, then they're told that they must go to college if they want to have a future. To do research with no knowledge of what they're really doing. And, let's not forget being brought up to follow their dreams and their passions without being taught to think logically, strategically and long term. Take all of this plus their still developing brains and now we're calling them entitled b/c they followed the advice given to them under adults (parents and in loco parentis) who expected obedience to their authority. Ya, you had the bad kids but you had the kids who rarely caused problems, followed the rules, gave the respect and obedience to the authority which was expected. Now, we're calling a whole generation entitled and narcissistic. No one, a number of them are saying "what the living f**k?"

How could they have chosen any different being under the conditions they were all in? How were and how are they expected to take this personal responsibility.

This is why personal responsibility is a myth in a world of limits. Meaning, choices are but one part of the entire complex tapestry of life.